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[Geoff Parkstone]

I have to say that if anyone could make me change my mind, and vote Brexit rather than Remain "next time round", it would be you, Swale.

[ramAnag]

Ah yes, GP...but then you’d have to join the ranks of your ‘idiotic man in the streets’ , besides after the chaos caused by the last one I doubt we’ll see another referendum in our lifetimes.

[Geoff Parkstone]

So on that basis you don't think we will rejoin in the next, say, 15 years? Any significant in and out regarding the EU has previously been subject to a referendum, so I cant see a move to rejoin ever happening without another referendum. Even tweaking such as joining the free trade zone (if we would ever be allowed to) would probably necessitate "popular support" because the politicians would be too **** scared for their own jobs to make the decision themselves

[Andy_Faber]

Fact is, last Sunday I quoted some figures from Statista. You and AF immediately sought to discredit them.
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that wasn't my intention rA. you didn't seem willing or able to reference back to Tricky's quoting of the source of Statista's data as being Yougov, so I reiterated that, and added a factual point that Yougov has a (known, even by them) bias towards liberal views which they chose to ignore but other pollsters do not. That's not discrediting your post, that's offering clarification and context.

[ramAnag]

So on that basis you don't think we will rejoin in the next, say, 15 years? Any significant in and out regarding the EU has previously been subject to a referendum, so I cant see a move to rejoin ever happening without another referendum. Even tweaking such as joining the free trade zone (if we would ever be allowed to) would probably necessitate "popular support" because the politicians would be too **** scared for their own jobs to make the decision themselves

You’re assuming we’re both going to last another fif**** years! More seriously - or perhaps not - after the example of 2016 the idea of the British electorate being capable of reaching a complex decision about joining the free trade zone seems horribly laughable at the moment. These are decisions which we - the electorate - are incapable of taking imo.
Question may be...will technology/the internet lead to folk being better informed or just easier to manipulate. I don’t know.

[Andy_Faber]

Anyway...Raab’s gone!

Changing the subject, and putting aside your glee at anything that show's the Tories in a bad light: What happens if he's right, and he's effectively been stitched up by an activist element of his staff? I'd be interested to know if you (coming from a different area of 'work' ie public sector v private sector) hadexperience of such behaviour? I saw 'it' (the inability to manage in a 'strong' manner) increasingly over my four decades in industry, yet in my last seven years working for a company from a more 'autocratic' culture I saw virtually none of it. The latter was certainly better for mental health, any given employee knew exactly where they stood, even if it wasn't especially good. Genuine question, what's your experience?

[Trickytreesreds]

Lol, ‘tried to help me’? How? You ‘don’t read the forum X times a day’? That’ll explain your 20,000+ posts then.

Fact is, last Sunday I quoted some figures from Statista. You and AF immediately sought to discredit them.
MA queried your doubts about the validity of the statistics and you responded in a way which appeared slightly evasive.
I asked you politely to clarify what you meant. Since then neither you nor AF have responded to my question at all.
I understand if you’re too busy. It just seems odd that you’ve had time to say, three times I think, why you haven’t answered, but no time to actually clarify.
As regards personal messages. I don’t use them where public discussion is concerned as it tends to become confusing. I think I’ve pm’d just four or five people on here occasionally and at various times over the years...GP, MA, AF, mac and yourself...just once about your dad’s hearing issues.
Hope that clarifies things...if you want to respond then do so...if you were wrong then just admit it. I don’t honestly care either way.

P.S. Thanks for explaining the ‘we’. I wouldn’t expect or envisage us rejoining...but, and this really is both the point and the irony, our (this country’s) experience of Brexit so far has probably led to there being far fewer Brexit supporters and putting your ‘every Brexit voter going’ in a much weaker position than they were before.

Admit I was wrong to what exactly?
You quoted, what is a known left biased information supplier( though I don't think you realised that, as you didn't investigate the source). You also compared their 2000 respondants as being a reflection of a heavy swing (74%) towards changing their mind. Personally I found it total bollox. Had I suggested a swing to 74% swing to more leave with a survey, you'd have gone crackers, with right wing bollox propaganda.
Hope that explains it? .

[Trickytreesreds]

Mm do please provide evidence that any claim about planes not flying from UK to Europe - I suspect that as per usual this was a lie perpetuated by your usual dodgy media sources! Of course the bits about not having criminal intelligence from the EU and not having a return agreement for asylum claimants ahve turned out to be true, but again only due to the Uk governments belligerent attitude to the negotiations.

EVERY Brexit voter going and some who didn't? Mm that explain the 57% who want some form of closer ties to the EU, then! It does make me laugh when Brexit supporters watching the undeliverable not being delivered scratch around in an increasingly desperate fashion to try and justify what was the biggest "shooting oneself in the foot" exercise a country has done in recent times!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44937492

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8564196.html

Happy?

[Trickytreesreds]

And just to tell you Swale.
Returning asylum seekers whilst in the EU?
Only those who had already lodged a claim, under the Dublin agreement.
It wasn't worth the paper it was written on. We got more sent here, than returned. Also, when you toss your ID papers away, you can't send anyone anywhere.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/528

And what has criminal intelligence to do with being in the eu? Another tool of control isn;'t it?
Any country can co operate on crime. AND DO!

But it gives you more cockadoodooldling of nonsense doesn't it

[ramAnag]

that wasn't my intention rA. you didn't seem willing or able to reference back to Tricky's quoting of the source of Statista's data as being Yougov, so I reiterated that, and added a factual point that Yougov has a (known, even by them) bias towards liberal views which they chose to ignore but other pollsters do not. That's not discrediting your post, that's offering clarification and context.

Andy, perhaps there’s been a misunderstanding. I genuinely don’t know and would suggest your big wooden spoon, where anything involving Swale and myself is concerned, doesn’t help.
Beyond that I can only suggest that you re read the posts from last Sunday and in particular posts 8963, 8968-8974, 8976-8977, 8979-8980, 8983, 8986 and 9013-9015. It’s not as much as it sounds.
My confusion/interpretation centres around MA’s question and TTR’s reply, ‘Yes the statistics of what he quoted don’t include the demographics that I quoted’.
I really don’t know what that means, what it implies about the alleged relationship between Statista and YouGov and whether it devalues the criticism of my/Statista’s figures by Tricky and yourself or not. Until it’s explained - and I have asked - I can comment know further on the statistics issue.