Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

It would seem that calls for another referendum on Scotch independence may be a little subdued in the coming months....

But, best yet, Truss lost her seat so the individual that was central to KS victory has actually lost out personally as well as her party.

[MadAmster]

It would seem that calls for another referendum on Scotch independence may be a little subdued in the coming months....

But, best yet, Truss lost her seat so the individual that was central to KS victory has actually lost out personally as well as her party.

Maybe she should stand in Scotland next where she could go on the ballot as Liz Jockstrap in an attempt to appeal more to the electorate...

[Trickytreesreds]

It would seem that calls for another referendum on Scotch independence may be a little subdued in the coming months....

But, best yet, Truss lost her seat so the individual that was central to KS victory has actually lost out personally as well as her party.

I don't think she was GP.

It was said last night by an ex Tory MP, that it went tits up after 2019.
They ignored the mandate set by that election and decided that they knew better, than the voters.
So they sold N.Ireland down the river, let the EU keep a firm grip of testicles and decided to let every man and his dog come here legally and ignore the illegals.
Setting aside all the other screw ups, that alone would have seen this margin of victory down to very little between the two.

So, I'll say again. Same ****, different face, Give it 12 months.
Things won't be much different, the Unions will be pushing Rayner and Starmer will be in full panic mode.

Something different is needed, fast.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I don't think she was GP.

It was said last night by an ex Tory MP, that it went tits up after 2019.
They ignored the mandate set by that election and decided that they knew better, than the voters.
So they sold N.Ireland down the river, let the EU keep a firm grip of testicles and decided to let every man and his dog come here legally and ignore the illegals.
Setting aside all the other screw ups, that alone would have seen this margin of victory down to very little between the two.

So, I'll say again. Same ****, different face, Give it 12 months.
Things won't be much different, the Unions will be pushing Rayner and Starmer will be in full panic mode.

Something different is needed, fast.

That may be so TTR - the seeds of defeat perhaps were down in the weak attitude towards Brexit but her ridiculous thankfully brief) economic policy triggered the "cost of living crisis" to use the cliche and spiked interest and inflation. Not vote winners.

The irony is that Cameron's attempt to unify the tories via a referendum, and subsequent Brexit process, ultimately caused a split because Brexit wasn't done properly in many eyes to the right. And that split seriously damaged Tory chances - effectively they lost the election rather than labour winning it - as the share of popular vote shows.

It's a funny old world. We needed change in government, but I'm not sure we needed such a quantum shift in numbers. It certainly will refocus the PR debate but with Tories calling for it and Libdems nor 😄. More role reversal!

[Trickytreesreds]

That may be so TTR - the seeds of defeat perhaps were down in the weak attitude towards Brexit but her ridiculous thankfully brief) economic policy triggered the "cost of living crisis" to use the cliche and spiked interest and inflation. Not vote winners.

The irony is that Cameron's attempt to unify the tories via a referendum, and subsequent Brexit process, ultimately caused a split because Brexit wasn't done properly in many eyes to the right. And that split seriously damaged Tory chances - effectively they lost the election rather than labour winning it - as the share of popular vote shows.

It's a funny old world. We needed change in government, but I'm not sure we needed such a quantum shift in numbers. It certainly will refocus the PR debate but with Tories calling for it and Libdems nor ��. More role reversal!

Starmer was all for it in 2016, wonder he thinks now?

[Trickytreesreds]

Labour 408 seats 9,549,258 23000 votes per seat
Tories 115 seats 6,587,259 57280 votes per seat
Reform 4 seats 4,006, 378 1,000,000 votes per seat
Libs 68 seats 3,366,290 49,504 votes per seat
Other 6 seats 812,298 135,383 votes per seat
SNP 8seats 666,293 83.286 votes per seat
Workers 0 seats 206,990 zip.
SF 7 seats 199,564 28504 votes per seat
PC 4 seats 194,811 48702 votes per seat
DUP 4 seats 160,552 40132 votes per seat
Alliance 1 seat 113,557 113557 votes per seat
UUP 1 seat 91,367 91367 votes per seat
SDLP 2 seats 81.601 40800 votes per seat
Alba 0 seat 11,784 ( good old Salmond, still won't shut him up either)

Grossly wrong at every level.

Everyone has a voice, and that voice deserves to be heard fairly.

[MadAmster]

TTR with 2 results still to come, Labour are on 412 seats. They were on 410 this morning, half a dozen hours ago. How did you end up with 408 just half an hour ago?

[MadAmster]

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[MadAmster]

It's a funny old world. We needed change in government, but I'm not sure we needed such a quantum shift in numbers. It certainly will refocus the PR debate but with Tories calling for it and Libdems nor ��. More role reversal!

I don't know what Starmer or Sunak think right now on PR. I heard the Lib Dem leader say on the BBC this morning that he was still in favour of PR despite the fact that it would have cost them 8 or 9 seats this election.

I remember elections in the past when they got 1/4 of the votes and but a dozen seats.

[ramAnag]

My verdict? A step in a better direction. We have a decent human being in Downing Street for the first time in years. How quickly they’ll be able to undo the harm done since 2019, and arguably 2010, remains to be seen.

In answer to GP…no, I’d far rather still be part of the EU and playing our part in resisting the move towards the Right.
In answer to AF…no comparison between the percentage in the two horse Brexit ‘race’ and the multiple choices at a General Election…but then you were probably ‘just joshing’. Who can tell?

My thanks to Boris Johnson and Liz Truss…your repeated dishonesty and complete incompetence probably did as much to help Labour win as anything else.

Can’t argue with those who want a change to the voting system. It wasn’t fair in 2019 and it isn’t fair now but, a bit like VAR…it seems okay when it goes your way.

I asked the question months ago, in the thread’s original post, about the impact Reform UK would have and it’s proved to be…huge, nowhere more so than in my own constituency of Derbyshire Dales.
The last Labour victory in this area was in 1945! This time the margin of victory was just 350 and seeing as the disowned (even by Farage!) Reform UK candidate picked up over 7700 votes, the irony is obvious.
Still it spelled the end of the, imo, useless Sarah Dines and, along with the demises of Rees-Mogg, Truss and the attention seeking Galloway, those were my personal highlights.

Attention now moves to France and the USA, beginning with, hopefully and sadly, a sensible replacement for Biden.