The Corona Virus

[oldcolner]

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at last - the truth begins to slowly nudge into the mainstream.....but march 19 seems so long ago, when the Gov decided that COVID-19 was no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK....though that end, was just the beginning of the end of a destructive, calculated journey...into ruin and disaster, and it continues, quite deliberately, ...But the truth has become undeniable - to the degree that the excuse "we were just following orders won't cut it, just as it didn't at the Nuremberg trials.

this is called a debate, though the only one with a case of any certitude (not model based projections) - is John Lee, retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant pathologist.....Well worth a look.

Makes a lot of sense.

[oldcolner]

To get this to 1000
US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has updated its research around masks, saying that wearing one not only protects others but also the person wearing the mask.
Previous guidance had rested on the idea that the main benefit of mask-wearing came from potentially stopping an infected person transmitting Covid to others.
The CDC referenced several studies, including one case where two Covid-positive hair stylists interacted with 139 clients - but of the 67 clients researchers tested, none developed an infection. The stylists and all clients had worn masks in the salon.
Another study looking into the outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier found mask-wearing reduced the risk of virus transmission by 70%, the CDC

CBS News reports 15 states saw the numbers of patients in hospital due to the virus double in the last month.
Some hospitals, such as in Idaho and Missouri, have had to turn patients away because they ran out of room.

[Norder]

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US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has updated its research around masks, saying that wearing one not only protects others but also the person wearing the mask.
Previous guidance....etc
CBS News reports....

the CDC and CBS News....c'mon Colner, this is hilarious, the cats out of the bag, your not going to get brownie points or place in the bunker with the "special ones" by continually pumping their rigged numbers / ""Guidance" - anyway, have lost count how many times the CDC have flipped on the mask question...wear masks, donts wear masks, masks are innefective...they're even better than a vaccine, and had Scientific evidence in mid september saying they didn't recommend the wearing of them, now are back to wearing them again....ever had the feeling your being phooked with ?

they're a big pharma mouthpiece...that are well known for discounting peer reviewed studies "unless" it suits their agenda, how many Vaccine patents do they own ? - a bucketload...these are no angels, and like any devil, will use any trick in the book to get their way.

Cases up 50% on yesterday to 33000 and deaths being recounted it seems.

again - take a look at the vid....see what the the Prof says (concurring with many others) about cases..." if you aren't unwell, a positive test can't be regarded as a case - that being for those that admitted to hospital, the seriously ill, a tiny proportion"



and now for some more....of this Sick Convid comedy.


Millions of people could get less effective coronavirus vaccine because high risk groups must get a jab as soon as possible – even if a better one is round the corner....

This, scientists admit, will likely mean millions of people get a less-than-perfect vaccine, but getting it early would save more lives than waiting around for a better one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-vaccine.html

Jesus Wept -they not only want to pump who knows what shlit into us....they quite blatant about pumping an ""Inferior"" who knows what shlit into us...no wonder they're looking for tech to deal with the ----- Vaccine casualties


MHRA Buyer Organisation - Medicines & Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency Gov.U.K.

II.1.4)short Description

Section II

The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3A...LCArdze2td8Y3k

[oldcolner]

Norder
You old cynic you!
if you aren't unwell, a positive test can't be regarded as a case - that being for those that admitted to hospital, the seriously ill, a tiny proportion"

Yes but 563 deaths up to 28 days after a positive test is significant not as much as 1500 a day in the USA now.
Less effective than what?

What else is there now. This happened with polio, people got the first one ASAP.

So you don’t believe CBS or CDC but do believe the Daily Mail. Hilarious

Re side effects you don’t understand how that works. The ADR scheme aims to collect information on any symptom patients suffered and try to look at common ones. With 60 million people getting a vaccine any symptom that might be caused by the vaccine has to be documented even if it has an alternative likely cause eg headache from a hangover, so yes there will be monitoring but it does not mean the vaccine has caused them all.
I once ran a campaign to immunise 120000 schoolchildren, we set up adverse reaction reporting for that. In our group 6 had moderate side effects, no one was hospitalised and no one died.

[Norder]

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Norder

"if you aren't unwell, a positive test can't be regarded as a case - that being for those that admitted to hospital, the seriously ill, a tiny proportion"

Yes but 563 deaths up to 28 days after a positive test is significant not as much as 1500 a day in the USA now.

deaths of who, and with which test, as there's so many....and of what age, and with what existing health conditions exactly ?...but anyway, as is now well known, the Tests are incapable of finding a live virus...which is why, under the W.H.O's own ICD codes (as used by the U.K Gov) if COVID-19, virus not identified’ is assigned to a clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available - U07.2 may be used for mortality coding as cause of death....do you mean those deaths colner, you must remember it, on referring deaths to the coroner - if no test result, give it a guess, would be satisfactory to give covid as the cause of death....
This is a very ugly and twisted game they're playing, thankfully, we dont bend easy !

What else is there now. This happened with polio, people got the first one ASAP.

So you don’t believe CBS or CDC but do believe the Daily Mail. Hilarious

yes lets see, well...thats an interesting example...Colner, I see 1935 for the first experimental vaccine, that did Not work out well...and was another 20 years until they got one to market...there were updates/ "improvements" to it...some not so...temporary or permanent paralysis etc...but a different animal (as you likely know) one jab does it, the immune system reacts differently...much more complicated evasion techniques for a flu virus...as mentioned, 43 years of a U.K common cold institute that did nothing, but now, a few months - and "Eureka"....do they think us Fools !

as for the media, Gov, officialdom etc....I question what I look at, look to prove it the best I can, research it etc, take Nothing for granted.

Re side effects you don’t understand how that works. The ADR scheme aims to collect information on any symptom patients suffered and try to look at common ones.

mostly covered this...but again, if they do roll out a vaccine after such an unprecedentedly short period.....then I'd think it quite Normal to be somewhat more concerned than one might be after, what was up until now, a regular and proper period of experimentation...goes without saying really.

[sinkov]

CBS News reports 15 states saw the numbers of patients in hospital due to the virus double in the last month.
Some hospitals, such as in Idaho and Missouri, have had to turn patients away because they ran out of room.

Don't they wear face masks in the USA ?

[oldcolner]

Don't they wear face masks in the USA ?

Clearly not everyone Sinkov.

[sinkov]

Clearly not everyone Sinkov.

Of course there is the possibility they just don't work as well as we're told they do OC. After all the first wave dissipated without a face mask in sight. When you can go from 1000 deaths a day to zero deaths a day without the public using them, you do have to wonder, don't you ? I think the fairest conclusion I can draw from the way the virus is spreading is that, if they do work at all, they just don't work very well.

[oldcolner]

Of course there is the possibility they just don't work as well as we're told they do OC. After all the first wave dissipated without a face mask in sight. When you can go from 1000 deaths a day to zero deaths a day without the public using them, you do have to wonder, don't you ? I think the fairest conclusion I can draw from the way the virus is spreading is that, if they do work at all, they just don't work very well.

Sinkov
What country are you talking about?
The only conclusion you want to draw is flawed. 70 million voted Trump, he told them not to wear masks and set the example.
More likely if you don’t wear one you’re more likely to catch the virus.

[oldcolner]

Cases up 50% on yesterday to 33000 and deaths being recounted it seems.