O/T Coronavirus Thread (2)

[Shark27]

Why should mikemiller believe owt you send him assuming you have. i certainly wouldn't.

It ain't me only me who thinks this. There are scientists and advisers and now the tory press who says the same.

Your resorting to type again by the way. Oh dear! Using expletives again...I know my old dad used to say its a sign you are losing an argument when you resort to swearing...I feel comforted then I must be saying summat reight...

I'll tell you what, just for you, I'll give you some details on here of myself on here. My name is Tim Jameson. My address is 23 Warburton Road, Rawmarsh, s67 1zL. There you are. I can't be fairer than that...just for you...pop round and I will make you a cup of tea and slice of cake...no violence involved I promise...

Is that the address you use when you offer the vulnerable a meal during these hard times? 😉

[rolymiller]

I will leave you to wallow in your one report that agrees with what you have been spouting about for the past 3 week though I say again. Now is not the time.
Quick question before I go Roly. I've asked this several times over the past few week and you don't seem to want to reply. Do you think the finger pointing is constructive and helping our situation. Do you think the government will be held responsible before the virus has run its course?
Did you go into isolation 4 week before the government inforced the lockdown and did social distancing as you knew this was the correct move ?..

!. Yes if it makes them make better choices for the health of the nation. This is gonna run for a while yet. If it needs to change course for the good of all it should. If the govt advisers have been advising wrongly we need new advisers who know what they are talking bout. If Boris is inept replace him with someone who isn't inept. We can walk blindly over the cliff with what we've got if you want..We can still make the best out of a bad situation. You are saying we should just carry on as we are yet we know that bad choices have been made already.
2.Should be
3.No. How can I know what to do before I am advised to do it . I trusted the govt knew what they were doing. Plainly, from the stuff I read today, I shouldn't have


Now you can ansewr My qs I keep asking you...

[rolymiller]

Is that the address you use when you offer the vulnerable a meal during these hard times? ��

Come round sharky. Always a meal on the table for my pals...no violence offered like some,,,

[howdydoo]

Exile, I can’t get my head around the repatriation flights and dispersing of ships carrying the virus.

The indefensible surrounds test kits and PPE. I think much of it has been sensationalised but that what comes with the territory.

I think the jibes at Boris’s illness are appalling.

Only isolation keeps this virus at bay it seems. I do believe our leaders are following scientific advice.

No unnecessary death is acceptable but this could have been (and may get) a lot worse. It could be another Spanish Flu.

From the outset I’ve said this shouldn’t become political. I’m astounded by the level of financial support the government rolled out and I definitely don’t believe anyone in the frontline wants to see people die.

I really don’t care which side of the political fence you’re on but I will say the antics of 2 or 3 people on here has been appalling.

You’d think they are enjoying watching people die. For what? Political point scoring.

It’s pathetic.

Hope that answers your question.

Keep safe.

[rolymiller]

You can't get away from politics tho Howdy.

Lets put it this way. Whether you agree with the govt or not. You have said yourself this virus is a lot of an unknown. You are placing you and your families lives in the hands of people who are understandably not totally sure what to do about it. If, in light of some discovery or revelation, the govt are deemed to be going down the wrong line surely you would challenge it. You would not say I voted for this govt so I trust they will do the job right. I will not challenge what they are doing and neither should idiots like rolymiller. Surely you would say in light of new evidence I think the govt should change tact. You would not want us to walk blindly over a cliff would you. I would argue the more input from the ordinary bloke on the street the better its there lives that are at stake...the more scientific views the better...

The govt plainly knew that some thought they were slow out of the blocks -I believe Jeremy Hunt said this very early on and other advisers -the govt chose to ignore this. Surely you stay on the side of caution with such serious implications of getting it wrong.

I'm gonna put myself in Boriss shoes now. I have been getting advis ef rom some advisers who say theres no rush with this hang fire a bit, see how it pans out but I havealso been getting some advisers saying whoa you had better act chuffin quickly here. Surely you would act on the side of caution with so many lives at stake..

Another point I would make just to show I am not trying to point score against the tories I would have said exactly the same if Labour had been in power. And I can't believe you would have not criticised Labour on here if they had been guilty of the same thing...

Just a thought owd lad note no abuse, threats or swearing...

[wendun]

Come round sharky. Always a meal on the table for my pals...no violence offered like some,,,

Roly, I have not seen anyone threaten you with violence on here, ever. I care not a fig for who you are or who mike is: I would certainly not call in on either of you even if I walked down your street. The point I have repeatedly tried to make but you don't seem to get is a simple one. I got exasperated by you and mike calling me a liar. So I PM'd mike with all my details and said he should just call, email, write, check whatever. I did this in an effort to stop the nonsense. What happened? Mike trotted out stuff the very next day that he knew to be a lie. I decided then there was no point posting on MM anymore while you Stalinists ruled the roost. I wouldn't threaten either of you. You are a pair of sad pr*cks. Btw, enjoy the two cars as you no doubt wring your hands over the poor and global warming. Rrsehole.

[howdydoo]

I haven’t threatened you at all and I am comfortable in my skin with swearing.

I don’t care what your dad (if he was your dad &#128521 thinks about that.

There’s 60 odd million people in this country. I have no idea how lethal this virus is. Neither do you.

Considering how densely populated we are, we could be in a lot worse situation.

I don’t agree with your black and white view on this,

Keep safe.

[caytonmiller]

!. Yes if it makes them make better choices for the health of the nation. This is gonna run for a while yet. If it needs to change course for the good of all it should. If the govt advisers have been advising wrongly we need new advisers who know what they are talking bout. If Boris is inept replace him with someone who isn't inept. We can walk blindly over the cliff with what we've got if you want..We can still make the best out of a bad situation. You are saying we should just carry on as we are yet we know that bad choices have been made already.
You don't know the facts. All you have is reports from people whos job it is to make news from wherever they can. Is that rational judgement?
2.Should be
So you want all the leaders of the government removed and who put in charge
3.No. How can I know what to do before I am advised to do it . I trusted the govt knew what they were doing. Plainly, from the stuff I read today,
I shouldn't have.
[B][/B]So how can you judge the government if you don't know the facts? You know what the rest of the world was saying so why didn't isolate? If they shut down 2 week earlier then we did, some prob Inc you would say it's not early enough.


Now you can ansewr My qs I keep asking you...

As I mentioned before. You only ask hypothetical questions and I won't reply with a speculative answers. Tbh it's sick blaming anyone for this virus and what they should have done differently to save lives..
I guess moral standards sit at different levels. Shame on you K

[rolymiller]

Where have I blamed anyone for the virus pudding... I have merely pointed out that the response was not good enough to it

1.it is the times newspaper who has reported it not some lefty layabout shyte stirring rag.Why would a tory supporting paper criticise the tory govt when they told you to vote for em last election? Get real? You are in denial.

2. Somebody who knows what they are chuffin doing. It could be Bert Higgins in the street if he knew better. Hmm he probably does...

3. So me isolating on my own is going to stop a pandemic. Chuffin hell I must be powerful..SuperRoly! Maybe 2 circuits of the Earth could do the trick!

[KerrAvon]

Well I’ve been out for a killer bike ride today (loving the empty roads) and haven’t the time or inclination to read every post in detail, but here’s my two ‘penneth:

The Sunday Times article is an example of the phenomenon that I posted about the other day; we have a media that serves a society that is used to getting everything that it wants without delay and which believes that there is an easy answer to everything when there really isn’t. It is also looking at the government’s response through the lens of hindsight. You also have to ask the questions as to whether they decided upon the article they wanted to write and then set out to look for sources that supported that narrative.

None of the above means that there are not valid questions to ask or that the article is necessarily incorrect. At the end of all this, I would love to think that there will be a full inquiry into how the crisis is being handed, primarily in the hope that any future response can be improved. But let’s be honest, any such inquiry will be hijacked by the political who will seek to weaponise it in the way that, for example, Grenfell shamefully was.

There are questions to be asked about preparations, particularly in relation to PPE and testing. On PPE, as I noted the other day, the entire world suddenly decided that it wanted many times as much masks and gowns as it normally would and there were always going to be difficulties, both in the obtaining of supplies and the logistical operations required to deliver it. In due course, it will be fair to look at how we handled that.

On testing, I would simply point out that the Chinese only got round to reporting the disease to WHO on 31st December and spent some time denying the existence of human to human transmission (great response!). To develop (including clinical evaluation) a test and roll out mass testing takes time and I would be very slow to criticise the UK or any other national operation in the light of that, but it’s right to ask if it could have been done more quickly. It was the lack of capacity that really prevented the continuation of the initial UK track and trace response, but if the capacity wasn’t there it wasn’t there, no matter how much the public might stamp its foot about that.

On the wider response, it would have been theoretically possible to close the country’s borders in January, but how practical was that? I don’t know how many hundreds of thousands of British people were out of the country at that time on holiday or business, but they had to be borne in mind. It was the start of the ski season, which might seem trivial with hindsight, but could a government seriously have contemplated stopping that in its tracks based upon an, at that time, uncertain risk? Imagine the press response… The Sunday Times would have gone into meltdown.

The lockdown could have been introduced sooner, but, unpalatable as it might seem, the government also had to take the economy into account. The reality is that unemployment and the consequential poverty also kills.

On Johnson, no he isn’t the bloke to take us into this crisis. As I mentioned many weeks ago, he’s a person who, wants to be liked too much, hence the nonsense about shaking people’s hands and the initial instinct to soften the message by downplaying the risk that the disease presented. I know a fairly senior Tory who agrees with that view and I suspect he is not alone, but the thing is that he is the only PM that we have as the other parties could not offer a credible alternative last December.