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Thread: O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    LANCET CENSORED Paper is now peer reviewed and available online!

    "A Systematic REVIEW of Autopsy findings in deaths after COVID-19 vaccination"

    "325 autopsy cases"

    "We found that 73.9% of deaths were directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination."

    "Our data suggest a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccination and death."

    This is a victory of SCIENCE over CENSORSHIP!!

    Incredible perseverence by first author Nicolas Hulscher who didn't give up after LANCET pulled the paper within 24 hours after 100,000s of downloads for no legitimate reason.

    Big pharma put the squeeze on the Lancet but has failed to stop �� the truth from coming out!

    The paper was delayed by one ☝�� year, and those actions of CENSORSHIP and CANCELLATION led to many deaths that could have been prevented.



    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...79073824001968
    I’ll deal with this in two parts, firstly by expanding on the 'history' in the email.

    The ‘study’ was originally uploaded to ‘Preprints with The Lancet’ which, in the words of The Lancet, means that it was not a Lancet publication or necessarily under review with a Lancet journal. Instead, it was an early-stage research paper that had not been peer-reviewed and had simply been checked for relevance.

    Pre-prints with The Lancet then took it down, explaining that:

    ‘the study's conclusions are not supported by the study methodology’.

    I think it is entirely possible that it was downloaded hundreds of thousands of times if the Twitter antivaxx community spotted it, although I very much doubt that it was spread around the internet with the warning that attaches to Preprints with The Lancet which reads:

    These preprints are early-stage research papers that have not been peer-reviewed. The findings should not be used for clinical or public health decision making and should not be presented to a lay audience without highlighting that they are preliminary and have not been peer-reviewed.

    In the absence of evidence, the notion that ‘Big pharma put the squeeze on the Lancet’ is presumably a product of the Tweeter’s imagination/paranoid tendencies.

    The authors of the paper have now chosen to put it up on what is known to research scientists as a ‘pay to play’ site. In other words, they’ve paid to have it published in an obscure journal. I think it fair to assume that they either haven’t tried to get it into a leading journal like the BMJ, NEJM or Nature or tried and were told to b*gger off after the journal read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    How many of those that passed during the pandemic had an autopsy? If this 75% is a true reflection on the figure then the number of deaths in the uk alone could be in the tens of thousands!

    It’s not great news for anyone but it could be a change of policy that could save lives.
    So let’s look at the study.

    One of the authors is Peter McCulloch, a well known antivaxxer who has repeatedly been accused of spreading misinformation about covid. He and 6 of the other 8 authors are associated with a company (either salaried or as shareholders) that sells alternative medicines including a ‘spike detox’ product (from $64.99 for the adult version and $44.99 for the children’s version) and dried Bison offal (from $44.99).

    And what did the study consist of? It consisted of looking for autopsies in which recent covid vaccination was mentioned and then reviewing the description of those autopsies to decide if the vaccine was a cause of death (ignoring, one assumes, what the original pathologist determined after he examined the actual body).

    It is said that the reviews were conducted by independent physicians. I don’t know who they are, but the one thing that we know for sure about them is that they were willing to work with McCulloch and other financial beneficiaries of a company that sells ‘spike detox’ products and driedbison offal (I so want to say bollox and tripe, but that wouldn’t be accurate).

    If that’s the sort of science that floats your boat then knock yourself out. I doubt it will change policy, but it will probably help the sale of dried bison liver.

    For my part, I think the better way to go would be to look at the death rate of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the aftermath of vaccination, where repeated studies show the all-cause mortality of the unvaccinated to exceed that of the vaccinated (primarily, one assumes, because of the higher death rate from covid in the unvaccinated group).

    Or you could just look at New Zealand, a country in which 90% of the population were double vaccinated in 2021, with no excess deaths arising in that country until 2022 when the borders were opened and covid widely circulated within the population.

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    Talking of NZ, apparently 'The Science'™ decided 11,000 Kiwis couldn't possibly catch/spread this condition...


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    I do appreciate that this won't stand up to the force of your meme:

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/n...es-2024-01-12/

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    It seems some people still believe the government is on their side. How quaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Optimist View Post
    It seems some people still believe the government is on their side. How quaint.
    Maybe it's possible to be scrupulous of governments, aware of the corruption and vested interests that can be within, but also recognise that most people in politics are doing what they believe to be a good thing for their society (even if we might hugely disagree with them! ).

    Not a popular view in groups that see only corruption and evil in every area, but maybe it's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Maybe it's possible to be scrupulous of governments, aware of the corruption and vested interests that can be within, but also recognise that most people in politics are doing what they believe to be a good thing for their society (even if we might hugely disagree with them! ).

    Not a popular view in groups that see only corruption and evil in every area, but maybe it's possible.
    I used to see things in much the same way a few years ago. Times have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    I do appreciate that this won't stand up to the force of your meme:

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/n...es-2024-01-12/
    To quote my favourite comedian (himself quoting a bigoted taxi driver)...
    'Ugh... you can prove anything with facts'

  9. #959
    You won't see any facts from anyone shilling for Big Pharma, that's for sure.

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    Anyone requiring 'shill' for their conspiracy theory bingo ticket, get the dabber out.

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