O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[ramAnag]

Would I be right to assume that, giving your past comments on the matter, you will be phoning your local school to find a worthy teacher to concede your place in the queue to

Lol...I though I was a ‘waste of keystrokes’ and not worth debating with a couple of hours ago, and yet here you are again.

Anyway...no you wouldn’t, Barry Sheene.
In the unlikely event of me receiving a phone call between now and Saturday morning saying, ‘Hello Mr. rA, we’ve decided to postpone the vaccinations of apparently healthy 65+ year olds in favour of those on the ‘front line’’, I’d be both agreeable and amenable...but as you and I both know, that isn’t going to happen and vaccinations are non transferable.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Its like arguing with a woman, Ram59, every time you raise a valid point they change the subject to something similar but not the point at hand, but where they think they can "win" moving on from the topic that they are "losing". That is why I decided not to bother debating any longer: just a waste of keystrokes. I'd urge the same

[swaledale]

Its like arguing with a woman, Ram59, every time you raise a valid point they change the subject to something similar but not the point at hand, but where they think they can "win" moving on from the topic that they are "losing". That is why I decided not to bother debating any longer: just a waste of keystrokes. I'd urge the same

**** me *s@xist as well! one of the lost cause brigade, which I kind of thought you were seeing as you have no understanding of racism!

Change the subject? Mm I think that only happens when Ra and myself get no response when you've been called out on some obviously erroneous remark you have posted and get no response!

[Andy_Faber]

**** me *s@xist as well! one of the lost cause brigade, which I kind of thought you were seeing as you have no understanding of racism!

Change the subject? Mm I think that only happens when Ra and myself get no response when you've been called out on some obviously erroneous remark you have posted and get no response!

I think you’ll find that’s just observational opinion Swale, you may disagree but it’s an opinion, I’m sure GP has many, both positive and negative, about both (all?) ***es

[Ram59]

Change the subject? Mm I think that only happens when Ra and myself get no response when you've been called out on some obviously erroneous remark you have posted and get no response![/QUOTE]


I think we're all guilty of that Swale, btw are you still pissing yourself at the thought of those over 80s being stupid enough to think the Astra vaccine is actually produced in the UK and you haven't yet explained to me where Germany's extra 30 million doses are being stored, because they're not going into German arms?

When we're wrong and called out, we have 3 choices;

1, carry on with our argument, even though everyone knows we're wrong.
2, go quiet and forget about it
3, on rare occasions, actually admit that we're wrong

[swaledale]

Change the subject? Mm I think that only happens when Ra and myself get no response when you've been called out on some obviously erroneous remark you have posted and get no response!

I think we're all guilty of that Swale, btw are you still pissing yourself at the thought of those over 80s being stupid enough to think the Astra vaccine is actually produced in the UK and you haven't yet explained to me where Germany's extra 30 million doses are being stored, because they're not going into German arms?

When we're wrong and called out, we have 3 choices;

1, carry on with our argument, even though everyone knows we're wrong.
2, go quiet and forget about it
3, on rare occasions, actually admit that we're wrong[/QUOTE]



Oh god I do despair sometimes, yes the AstraZeneca vaccine is produced in the UK, that actually doesn't make it any more a British vaccine than the fact that Pfizer is currently being produced in Belgium makes it a Belgian vaccine! Or the vaccine that was created by a French firm in Brittany which is going to be made in Scotland is a Scottish vaccine. I'm sure you know that AstraZenica is a British/Swedish multi national, so you could call it an Anglo Swedish vaccine I suppose?

So yes I am still pissing myself laughing at those stupid over 80's wanting to wait for the "British" vaccine, I'm sure they apply the same logic in other health issues, no they can't do because if they did they wouldn't have reached 80!

You clearly didn't read my answer read my answer - though not sure what your getting at - the fact that Germany ordered 30 million vaccine does last September is a matter of fact! Now as you have a problem with simple concepts - one, as the order was last September, it means its being produced now, as its being produced now, it wouldn't need to be stored would it? Because it hasn't been delivered simples.

Secondly I already agreed that even with the vaccine supplies they already have Germany had been using a system whereby people had to book slots online for the vaccine, which was limited to 15,000 a day and seemed to be a very odd way to do things. In short the Germans have ****ed up their vaccination programme and I said that to!

So much so that there is a lot of flak being directed internally at the moment within Germany.

I also agreed that the EU had ****ed up royally with their political posturing over vaccine exports and the threat to override the protocol on the Irish Border, or at least some hothead in the Commission had, because the relevant governments hadn't been informed.

[Andy_Faber]

So yes I am still pissing myself laughing at those stupid over 80's wanting to wait for the "British" vaccine, I'm sure they apply the same logic in other health issues, no they can't do because if they did they wouldn't have reached 80!.

You really spoil your posts with cheap **** like this, although I notice you’ve now removed the unfounded ‘white’ comment. Wouldn’t your mirth be better directed at the 80 year olds, and for that matter all valid age groups, who are declining the the vaccine full stop because they’ve read on the internet or been told by their ****age grandkids that it contains meat products, alcohol, or is less effective than garlic?

And it’s not ‘British’, it’s British, to be precise
‘COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was co-invented by the University of Oxford and its spin-out company, Vaccitech.’ And massively invested in by HMG AND unlike the rest, available to the world at cost. I’m proud of that, I suggest you get with the program - your ‘in-denial’ attitude to anything positive about Britain baffles me

[Ram59]

Oh god I do despair sometimes, yes the AstraZeneca vaccine is produced in the UK, that actually doesn't make it any more a British vaccine than the fact that Pfizer is currently being produced in Belgium makes it a Belgian vaccine! Or the vaccine that was created by a French firm in Brittany which is going to be made in Scotland is a Scottish vaccine. I'm sure you know that AstraZenica is a British/Swedish multi national, so you could call it an Anglo Swedish vaccine I suppose?

So yes I am still pissing myself laughing at those stupid over 80's wanting to wait for the "British" vaccine, I'm sure they apply the same logic in other health issues, no they can't do because if they did they wouldn't have reached 80!

You clearly didn't read my answer read my answer - though not sure what your getting at - the fact that Germany ordered 30 million vaccine does last September is a matter of fact! Now as you have a problem with simple concepts - one, as the order was last September, it means its being produced now, as its being produced now, it wouldn't need to be stored would it? Because it hasn't been delivered simples.

Secondly I already agreed that even with the vaccine supplies they already have Germany had been using a system whereby people had to book slots online for the vaccine, which was limited to 15,000 a day and seemed to be a very odd way to do things. In short the Germans have ****ed up their vaccination programme and I said that to!

So much so that there is a lot of flak being directed internally at the moment within Germany.

I also agreed that the EU had ****ed up royally with their political posturing over vaccine exports and the threat to override the protocol on the Irish Border, or at least some hothead in the Commission had, because the relevant governments hadn't been informed.

You originally brought up that the Germans had bought the extra doses, to defend your argument that if the UK had been part of the EU procurement programme, it wouldn't have stopped the UK getting their own supplies at the same time. If that was the case then Germany would now have their extra supplies and they haven't. I've said several times that Germany ordered their supply to come after the EU order has been completed. My point about them being stored is a slightly sarcastic comment about you insisting that the Germans have got current extra supplies.

As for the Oxford vaccine not being British, words fail me. But then again, I suppose that you know the nationality of every shareholder of Astra and every employee and student at Oxford university working on the project. By your rationale, nothing could ever be attributed to one country, those driving BMWs and think that they're driving a German car, think again.

I hear that the BBC are looking for left wing comedians, you should apply, because you are highly entertaining to many of us on here.

[Andy_Faber]

You do seem easily offended these days, no matter how innocent the perceived ‘challenge’, Ram.

In point of fact Andy and I were discussing the usefulness or otherwise of Trump’s ‘China Virus!’ comments and the levels of credit and criticism which the government deserve. You introduced the media talk on the NZ issue which I can see the sense of but which hadn’t been brought up on the forum as a comparison before to the best of my knowledge.

Go back and have a look if you don’t believe me.

My comments on Grant Shapps’ observations weren’t aimed at you at all. I am just astounded that a Government minister can be so ignorant as to fail to recognise that a) Australia is also an island. b) Australia is not a continent. c) Being an island somehow prohibits us from controlling our borders. Were we not an island before Brexit and are our borders the only ones in Europe crossed by ‘thousands of lorries and vans’?

As it happens I do see the sense of your comments as regards the difficulties surrounding the ‘thousands of lorries and vans entering through our ports’.
The only answer I can come up with is that some of the virtually instant tests that are now available are implemented either before they leave or immediately upon arrival.

P.S. ‘Accessible clothing’ is always requested where vaccinations are concerned up here, GP. They get frustrated with geriatric, and apparently rather ***ist, ‘James Deans’ using up valuable time struggling to remove their clothing.

I’ve always found that wearing of biker gear when off the bike thing a bit perverse, surely bikers could identify themselves in street gear simply by shaking their heads disdainfully for no good reason all the time

[Geoff Parkstone]

It wasnt a debate, but rather a question. But as a sidenote, what form of identification did they ask you to bring with you to prove that you are indeed "Mr rA" as opposed to an old looking 43 year old history teacher from Littleover Community School pretending to be you?