O/T Democracy

[ragingpup]

There are too many uncertainties to do anything more than guess. With Labour sitting firmly on the fence, I can see them taking a hit from both the Lib Dems and Brexit Party. The Lib Dems will also gain from Tories who are remain inclined or who cannot stomach BoJo.

The main uncertainty is the extent to which the Brexit Party and Tories reach an accommodation (and yes, I know what BoJo says about that) and avoid splitting the leave vote. If they don't they may well fail to take seats in firmly leave constituencies.

I'd be surprised if any party gained an overall majority, but who knows?

What would you be pleased to see Labour do over Brexit? What stance would you personally like them to take? Or even think that they should take?

[KerrAvon]

What would you be pleased to see Labour do over Brexit? What stance would you personally like them to take? Or even think that they should take?

I don't particularly want Labour to do anything over Brexit. It's a matter for them. Should the calamity come to pass and they get into power, the disaster would be for them to agree the nonsensical Norway style monstrosity envisaged by their 'six tests'.

They are caught by the disparate nature of their support - the 'traditional' Labour in the North and the more internationalist Labour in the South.

[WanChaiMiller]

My fear for Labour is that 1. They lose the Brexiteer vote 2. They lose the Centre Left vote and 3. They lose much of the remain vote.

Some going.

[ragingpup]

My fear for Labour is that 1. They lose the Brexiteer vote 2. They lose the Centre Left vote and 3. They lose much of the remain vote.

Some going.

True but note that many of the hard Brexiters wouldn't touch labour again with a barge pole, and would only me even the slightest bit tempted to Labour again if Labour went No Deal. And in my experience, many of the old centre left and hardcore remainers are one and the same thing - just as unwilling to compromise as the No Dealers. They will go to Lib Dems.

Just a case of how many non extremists are left and will the manifesto appeal to them sufficiently to get beyond the 'Corbyn' issue.

[WanChaiMiller]

The last Labour Party leader I had anything in common with was Michael Foot who had some very good ideas (and a few bad ones) but all in all he was a man of the people and a man of conviction.

Putting aside Brexit who do you vote now Biglad?

[BigLadonOS]

Putting aside Brexit who do you vote now Biglad?

I'm a floating voter WCM and have been for sometime now as hold no elegance to any one party.

[WanChaiMiller]

Raging.

Ive been a Labour voter all my life and a member for much of it (but remembered to cancel my direct debit earlier this year before being hooked in another year). Id concider myself hard line remain centre left. If the next election is essentially about Brexit then I will not vote Labour.

I would not vote the Lib Dems either (Animal you have misread it lol). I dont believe a second referendum is right. If in a second vote remain happen to win I think the country will decend into chaos (even more so than now). Lib Dems have got that policy totally wrong. I think they think its an easy vote winner but they have misjudged the mood.

Having voted out weve got to leave. I see Brexit as bad for the country that will be made even worse by a no deal exit.

I simply want those that ran the leave campaign (Johnson) to honour the pledge they made to leave with a deal.

[KerrAvon]

Raging.

Ive been a Labour voter all my life and a member for much of it (but remembered to cancel my direct debit earlier this year before being hooked in another year). Id concider myself hard line remain centre left. If the next election is essentially about Brexit then I will not vote Labour.

I would not vote the Lib Dems either (Animal you have misread it lol). I dont believe a second referendum is right. If in a second vote remain happen to win I think the country will decend into chaos (even more so than now). Lib Dems have got that policy totally wrong. I think they think its an easy vote winner but they have misjudged the mood.

Having voted out weve got to leave. I see Brexit as bad for the country that will be made even worse by a no deal exit.

I simply want those that ran the leave campaign (Johnson) to honour the pledge they made to leave with a deal.

It's not in Johnson's gift to leave with a deal. Parliament repeatedly rejected the only deal that the EU have offered to date (but appear to be willing to 'discuss' despite repeated assertions that it wouldn't be changed) and have rejected no deal, which has taken away the only real leverage that the UK has in the negotiations.

[BigLadonOS]

Raging.

Ive been a Labour voter all my life and a member for much of it (but remembered to cancel my direct debit earlier this year before being hooked in another year). Id concider myself hard line remain centre left. If the next election is essentially about Brexit then I will not vote Labour.

I would not vote the Lib Dems either (Animal you have misread it lol). I dont believe a second referendum is right. If in a second vote remain happen to win I think the country will decend into chaos (even more so than now). Lib Dems have got that policy totally wrong. I think they think its an easy vote winner but they have misjudged the mood.

Having voted out weve got to leave. I see Brexit as bad for the country that will be made even worse by a no deal exit.

I simply want those that ran the leave campaign (Johnson) to honour the pledge they made to leave with a deal.

If he had the chance to go there and be able to threaten to walk away without parliament stabbing him in the back then you would get a deal.

The only way to get that deal now is from outside the EU so he has to leave with a clean break just to be able to seriously have negotiations that mean anything at all.

[rolymiller]

Think most people on here are leavers wanchai me included so don't know why the likes of biglad get so tetchy with us. The argument tho is how we leave which boils down to are you a no deal leaver or a deal leaver and for me what kind of deal leaver.