69th anniversary this month

[Trickytreesreds]

Talking of anniversaries, this past week marked the 67th anniversary of Nehru's speech to mark India's independence. It's 1 of the best speeches ever, even better if read aloud. The remarkable thing is that his vision all those years ago is still relevant today.
Nehru was a socialist and a realist. I believe it was he who started the non-aligned movement.

I am sure Basie can identify with his ideals.

Yes, very moving and hypocritical.

To the nations and peoples of the world we send greetings and pledge ourselves to cooperate with them in furthering peace, freedom and democracy.

Right before the killing started between Hindu's/Sikhs/Muslims.
Then happy birthday Pakistan.

Oh yes. What folks say and what they do eh?

TTR- philosopher/politician/realist/pragmatist

[Romanis]

Talking of anniversaries, this past week marked the 67th anniversary of Nehru's speech to mark India's independence. It's 1 of the best speeches ever, even better if read aloud. The remarkable thing is that his vision all those years ago is still relevant today.
Nehru was a socialist and a realist. I believe it was he who started the non-aligned movement.

I am sure Basie can identify with his ideals.

Yes, very moving and hypocritical.

To the nations and peoples of the world we send greetings and pledge ourselves to cooperate with them in furthering peace, freedom and democracy.

Right before the killing started between Hindu's/Sikhs/Muslims.
Then happy birthday Pakistan.

Oh yes. What folks say and what they do eh?

TTR- philosopher/politician/realist/pragmatist[/quote]

Dear Mr Philosopher turned whatever,

Please don not twist history to suit your arguments.

The killing

[Trickytreesreds]

If any blame is to be laid, please lay it at Mr Atlee's door or Mr Jinnah's. The former who said independence would take 14 months, gave them 7 weeks notice and agreed to sudden partition there and then without time for people to decide where to go or which country to be part of. It was hasty and sparked fear and unrest resulting in a bloodbath.

Mr Jinnah, who despite Nehru's and Gandhi's best efforts, insisted on independence and urged his supporters to take tot he streets to demand immediate partition. Shocked at the violence Gandhi relented and mourned the deaths by not being in Delhi for the independence ceremonies.

Regards


Romanis
Fact checker.[/quote]

So it's as I said then? India fractured itself, whilst under the guise of the peaceful protester/non conformist/united opinion wins.
You can proclaim, do what you want, shout from the rooftops to the international community. Yet it doesn't change a thing what you told the world, when you are fractured internally.Especially when

[Romanis]

Steady there boy. It's exactly what Nehru said. He understood the problems India were facing and till today it's relevant. That was what I inferred by his speech. A great speech good prose and very true and relevant.

Oh yes, India is not my country btw.

Berk!

[Romanis]

Anyways back to the topic about war and arming oneself. That I agree - if the atomic bombs were not dropped the war would have continued to the bitter end with heavy loss of life especially civilian ones. Maybe in far excess to those lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Many in Asia do not regret this. The Japanese were very brutal as bad and evil as the Nazis. Had the war gone on longer who knows what the Japanese would have done besides just scorch earth. Everyone believed that summary killings world have continued.

[Romanis]

Finally whatever is said of the USA and the Vietnam War, many South East Asian countries were thankful for American intervention. It stopped the Communist threat in its tracks.

[Trickytreesreds]

Anyways back to the topic about war and arming oneself. That I agree - if the atomic bombs were not dropped the war would have continued to the bitter end with heavy loss of life especially civilian ones. Maybe in far excess to those lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Many in Asia do not regret this. The Japanese were very brutal as bad and evil as the Nazis. Had the war gone on longer who knows what the Japanese would have done besides just scorch earth. Everyone believed that summary killings world have continued.

That is one thing you can bank on Romoanski.
The civilian deaths would have amounted to millions in the event of a land assault. They was supposed to honour the Bushido code and fight to the death, or commit suicide. Rather than suffer the humiliation of defeat.
The Military government did not care for the eventual genocide that would ensue.
Weirdly, the emperor himself intervened, despite attempts to stop him.
A vicious

[RedBasie]

Gotcha Tricky. Ideas come from anywhere do they? If so it's not true we'd still be in the Stone Age if not for the Military.Traditionally governments give the Military inflated budgets on which to target good ideas. Isn't it about time that the governments started to invest in living decent civilised lives instead of killing.

[Trickytreesreds]

Gotcha Tricky. Ideas come from anywhere do they? If so it's not true we'd still be in the Stone Age if not for the Military.Traditionally government's give the Military inflated budgets on which to target good ideas. Isn't about time that the governments started to invest in living decent civilised lives instead of killing.

Got me?

The minute the world is devoid of threats and terrors Basie, then I am sure they will.
When that day comes, we will all see rainbows and puffy clouds and crap sparkly sweets.
For the last time-

Man has been clubbing each other to death since the stone age. Can you really see it stopping?
Wake up Basie, the human mind will always devote such intelligence and resources to the pursuit of protection.
The day it stops, well I can only assume the sun has become a red giant.

[Romanis]

I do believe there's no real right or wrong answer that both of you have raised. At times, there's a need to rearm to face a growing threat - like Churchill advocated in vain in the 1930s and the Americans to combat the Red Menace in the 1950s and through the Cold War.

But at times, there's a need to look at the civilian aspect of things, to concentrate on the real issues that mankind faces - disease, poverty, freedom, justice and creating a better life for the present and future. If too much is spent on the war effort and defense, it will inevitably lead to economic ruin as seen in the cases of the Soviet Union and present-day North Korea. These countries had state of the art weaponry, yet the ordinary civilian does not have enough food to eat and their children are doomed to a torturous existence.

It all depends on balance and the prevailing circumstances. If no threat exists, more effort must be placed on economic and social justice. War should always be the last option and not th