OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Really? Mm when you and your fellow Brexiteers are moaning about how things are worse after Brexit, I for one will laugh as will those "liberal elites" who you denigrate, because they won't be feeling the economic effects of a disastrous decision!

As for electoral meltdown if we don't do a hard Brexit, you assume the majority of the people in this country a) voted Brexit and b) want a hard Brexit, not sure where you get your facts from but the evidence is that both those assumptions are wide of the mark!

Still I'm sure there is a tiny number of people who voted for "taking back control" even if it means highe rprices, fewer jobs and an economy slumping!!

No point me arguing with you Swale, your head is firmly camped where it is.
All I'll say is, you DON'T know we'll be worse off and you DON'T know the EU is the better place to be. Even Schultz (the europhile) is admitting the EU could break up, especially with Trump now in office.
So please don't patronise everyone like you're a soothsayer

[ramAnag]

Hold on Tricky...how come Swale is a 'soothsayer' for predicting what might happen but you're not when you do exactly the same thing?
Not much point in contributing to say no point in arguing with someone who's made their mind up. You've made yours up too, but what about Swale's second paragraph...where is there any evidence at all to suggest that the majority of the electorate voted for Brexit and now 'want' a hard Brexit? You have accepted elsewhere that many who voted for Brexit did so largely as a reaction to immigration levels...what is to say they will still feel that way if it means, as Swale asks, higher prices, fewer jobs and a weaker economy and please don't play the Trump card...he's said repeatedly that he's going to put the U.S. first, coupled with the fact that he is - imo - an untrustworthy sociopath, where do you think that leaves us?

[roger_ramjet]

is your final US above a reference to the collective first person plural or the country on the north american continent?

Actually it probably doesn't matter as the answer in both cases is "up **** creek without a paddle"

[roger_ramjet]

are we at 2000 yet? Almost as many posts on this thread as years since the supposed birth of the godhead jr

[roger_ramjet]

1995 Austria Sweden and Finland join the EU

[roger_ramjet]

1996 - Andreas Moller scores a penalty

[roger_ramjet]

1997 Bill Clinton is sworn in for a second spell in the White House. Dry cleaners throughout Capitol Hill rejoice

[roger_ramjet]

1998 - Estonia Latvia and Estonia join the growing throng of EU member states

[roger_ramjet]

1999 a nuclear explosion on the far side of the moon sends it, and its 311 inhabitants hurtling in space. Martin Landau ensures the safety of Moonbase Alpha but it is really Barbara Bain as Dr Helena Russell who has a generation of just post-pubescent boys scrambling under their bedsheets with a torch and hankie.

So, who's gonna grab number 2000? The honour surely belongs to ManofPride

[swaledale]

No point me arguing with you Swale, your head is firmly camped where it is.
All I'll say is, you DON'T know we'll be worse off and you DON'T know the EU is the better place to be. Even Schultz (the europhile) is admitting the EU could break up, especially with Trump now in office.
So please don't patronise everyone like you're a soothsayer

Absolutely no point in peddling your "false truths" as you say, still laughing that you were unaware for the reasons behind the forming of the EEC as it was then known and assuming NATO had kept the peace in europe as against being a organisation formed to keep the expansionist aims of the soviet union and latterly Russia at bay..but hey ho, a guy who quotes the daily Express as a source of facts clearly has issues!

You also have absolutely no idea where my head is firmly camped - on the basis that we have done pretty well economically as member of the Eu and on the basis that immigration has been a direct contributor to the UK's economic growth - its a reasonable assessment that the future is at best uncertain and at worse grim - what is clear is that Brexit will not bring the benefits to those in the Brexit camp like yourself who claim that stopping EU immigration will mean jobs for UK citizens we are at close to full employment now or that we will simply replace the trade we have with the EU by trading with other countries.

As for the EU breking up, mm only a fool would want to see political turmoil in europe as history shows the end results don't tend to be positive.