OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

So Jim Ratcliffe of INEOS a fervent Brexiteer, decides to move abroad and avoid paying tax in the country he was said would be a great palce after Brexit, then instead of locating a factory in Wales decides that maybe France would be better?

James Dyson another prominent Brexiteer, decides that locating his companies HQ in Singapore is better than locating it in the UK, it just so happens that doing so means he can take advantage of the trade deal Singapore has with the EU! of course Dyson isn't a resident of the Uk either!

Anyone spot a pattern here?

yes you're getting more bitter with every post

[Geoff Parkstone]

So Jim Ratcliffe of INEOS a fervent Brexiteer, decides to move abroad and avoid paying tax in the country he was said would be a great palce after Brexit, then instead of locating a factory in Wales decides that maybe France would be better?

James Dyson another prominent Brexiteer, decides that locating his companies HQ in Singapore is better than locating it in the UK, it just so happens that doing so means he can take advantage of the trade deal Singapore has with the EU! of course Dyson isn't a resident of the Uk either!

Anyone spot a pattern here?

Let's hope that the same pattern emerges with wetherspoon.

Then there might be less bitter around too

[ramAnag]

Ursula Von Derby Leyden is apparently a qualified Gynaecologist. I have every faith that she will easily identify Johnson for what he is.

[ramAnag]

Ursula Von Derby Leyden is apparently a qualified Gynaecologist. I have every faith that she will easily identify Johnson for what he is.

von der Leyen, not Von Derby Leyden, sorry...bloody predictor text!

[Geoff Parkstone]

A jolly nice man??

[swaledale]

yes you're getting more bitter with every post

Clearly you don't have a clue! You would ahve to be rather dim to think that. Not bitter at all, no reason to be feel sorry for the mugs that are going to suffer though but hey ho thats life!

[swaledale]

von der Leyen, not Von Derby Leyden, sorry...bloody predictor text!

A cunning stunt?

[swaledale]

Perhaps its all a cunning ploy? Boris Johnson will hail himself as a hero with a breakthrough before the weekend is out? Despite saying no deal is now the likeliest outcome. Sorry the "Australia" option as he calls it.

This is a total reversal of everything the Brexiters ever said.

They promised voters that a deal would be a piece of cake to seal – “the easiest in human history” – such a breeze that David Davis, our then Brexit secretary, could turn up to the first round of Brussels talks without a document in his hand, armed only with a smile. In July 2017, Johnson cheerfully told the Commons: “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.”


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Exactly a year ago tomorrow, he won a general election by swearing that a Brexit deal was “oven-ready”, waiting only for the electorate to flick the switch by voting Conservative. Sure, the Tories now like to say they were referring only to the withdrawal agreement (the same text Johnson later condemned as contradictory and sought to rewrite).

But plenty of voters thought the deal was done – and Johnson was happy for them to think it.

Still, that serial deception is secondary to the damage a no-deal Brexit will do, an impact so obvious that until relatively recently, all but a tiny core of fanatics agreed it was a disaster that had to be averted at all costs. It will shrink our GDP by at least an extra 2% on top of the 4% that would be inflicted by leaving the EU even with a trade agreement. It will cripple our exports. The more than 50% of our imports that come from the EU will be disrupted or become more expensive, whether that be food, medicine, chemicals or industrial components. The tariff on basic foodstuffs will be 20% or more.

The change will play havoc with supply chains and drive out foreign investors who located in Britain because they believed they’d have easy access to the single market. Last month Nissan warned that its plant in Sunderland “will not be sustainable” if there is no deal. Honda of course is to close its Swindon plant. After many years of ultra-smooth trade, on 1 January we will add a whole lot of friction.

For the ultras of the so called European Research Group there was no agreement that could ever match the thrill of severing all ties with the dreaded continent, walking out and slamming the door in our neighbours’ faces.

But the deal on the table would once have delighted the hardest Brexiters. They would be out of the EU and unbound by the single market’s obligation to allow the free movement of people. Britain could freely import and export into the single market, only facing extra impediments if it chose to diverge from EU environmental or labour standards. That should hardly be a problem, given that Brexiters always insist they have no desire to weaken those safeguards. If you ask Brexiters what exactly it is they want to do that the EU has stopped them doing, they change the subject. It’s the theoretical right to deviate from EU standards they want.

As Von der Leyen pointed out, Britain would retain that right under the deal on offer. It’s just that, if Britain chose to exercise it, there might be a cost – in the form of measures imposed by Brussels to offset any advantage the UK would have given itself. That is what Johnson finds so unacceptable. And so he has decided that, rather than face the possibility of tariffs and barriers being imposed in future, he will choose the certainty of tariffs and barriers in three weeks’ time. It defies logic: “Because I worry that you might one day punch me in the face, I’m going to punch myself in the face right now.”

Of course if the worst fears of Brexit materialise, will those who voted for it will blame the Brexiters? I doubt it. They’ll be urged instead, by the government and much of the right wing media, to blame anybody and everybody else: Europe, remainers, the traitors in their midst.

I will feel sorry for those who suffer, but it will be partly ameliorated by the thought that many of them will have voted for Brexit, that they were stupid enough to believe the lies spun to them by a right wing largely ex pat tax dodging elite who somehow convinced them that they were voting against the political elite in the UK.

[MadAmster]

When will the dumbass realise that the "Australia deal" he talks of is actually NO ****IN DEAL? TW*T.

[AdiSalisbury]

Ursula Von Derby Leyden is apparently a qualified Gynaecologist. I have every faith that she will easily identify Johnson for what he is.

I thought this was another post about swale