Nor from direct personal experience!! However I have friends who live there and its a constant grouse that the area is beset with such tradespeople and the scum who live off them. A swift google suggests there is definitely fire behind that smoke. Yes I guess they serve a use, and perhaps I am being judgemental by confusing "use" with "value"
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Not GDP rA, GDP per capita, so how much someone is adding to the national 'good' by existing as opposed to not existing. And as an economic value its clearly only one facet of 'usefulness'
A machinist making a widget which is then sold is a 'producer' - easy to put a monetary value on
A nurse or teacher doing their thing for the benefit of patients or students - no DIRECT way of valuing that but clearly they are adding value through the increased wellbeing of others
Interestingly, and I've mentioned this before, UK national productivity excludes those in state run health and education, wheras in other countries they are included (at a high level of productivity, hence skewing the comparisons)
Ah lesson in grammar, the word "presumably" qualifies a statement indicating it hasn't been substantiated, or is a view or opinion!
GP just made a bold statement with unsubstantiated numbers of a certain nationality and I was just curious as to whether this was his opinion or based on some factual evidence.
I presume the part you query is that Brexit supporters are not or would not be a customer of a prostitute or drug dealer? Again I used the word substantial, to indicate that many would be and actually I would, if I could be bothered, able to substantiate (note the correct spelling) that assumption.
Of course there is the shining example of one leading proponent of Brexit, Michael Gove who has admitted to taking cocaine, its not to far a stretch to think that many of similar ilk have and indeed continue to indulge.
But of course my main point was that there is a market for illegal activities, often undertaken by immigrants and many of the consumers in this market (I didn't say all) are the very people who publicly or privately purport to frown upon these activities and voted Brexit!
Hope thats made things clear!
I just feel we have to get away from this ‘them v us’, ‘wealth producers v wealth drain’ mentality and even your ‘DIRECT way of valuing’.
Regardless of how I’ve earned most of my living, which is entirely irrelevant, where teachers are concerned at one level they contribute nothing to the nation’s GDP, on another they contribute an educated workforce (ideally) and enable much of the rest of the working population to go out and contribute to the nation’s GDP.
Likewise those who work in the NHS contribute a healthy workforce and (ideally again) reduce the number of ‘man hours’ lost which again has a beneficial effect upon productivity and our GDP.
The argument can be extended to other areas of employment and on the subject of usefulness v uselessness...there is, sadly, no escaping the fact that approximate 11% of the prison population is made up of ‘foreigners’, however when this is set alongside the number of ‘foreigners’ working within the NHS and, if my experience is anything to go by, in the delivery industry, then I too wholly subscribe to the idea that immigration has led to far more ‘useful’ than ‘useless’ people.
This, along with recent observations about unelected bureaucrats, should really be ringing a few alarm bells about wtf Brexit was all about shouldn’t it?