OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

There you go again, accusing me a white male of being racist by describing a group of white people, despite the fact that I explained to you that actually its not possible for a white person to be racist about other white people!

Thats not my opinion by the way, just look up the actual definition of racism

I did. It is. QED you are

Its also the end of my contribution to this little cul de sac. The original query was from rA, and despite my inability to either explain things clearly enough or convince him of my stance, our conversation has remained cordial, with an attempt at constructive responses going both ways. I won't speak for rA, but from my side, when he makes a point in such a manner, it makes me think about 'things', including whether I'm right. Your venting, I'm afraid, only makes me think about what your life problems are (seriously), so by all means vent away but don't expect a response. Your tasteless 'look what I've got fellahs' rant from a few days ago, which you haven't yet had the good grace to apologise for, tells us all what sort of person you are, and that's not the sort of person I take much notice of anyway - In 'real life' you are the pub bore, eventually left ranting to the poor barman alone as the other 'regulars' find another pub. I guess that's what's happening here

[Trickytreesreds]

This is the very last time I will ever interact with you because you really are utterly stupid.

The French, German, Italians or Irish for that matter are not a different race, but a different nationality and yes you would get into trouble for discrimination against them but not on the basis of race you ****wit!

In any case the great and good AF was accusing me of racism based on my describing some fellow white Uk nationals as "Fine old white Brexit voting folks" which I would have thought even the most stupid person would see couldn't possibly be racism.

I know you don't get the point about white supremacy, but maybe blame it on your imperialistic forefathers who uninvited went overseas and colonised parts of the world that weren't white?

I'd explain more, but given your penchant for quoting whacko internet sources for your parroted opinions, you are another who thinks because you believe something its true, in the real world that isn't the case.

If you weren't so sad, with your sad little life and victim status you would be funny. Thankfully I shall never have to read your ludicrous bile again. Toodle pip ****!

Liar liar, pants on fire

So esay to expose you Fail,
Full of **** and so far up your own ass, you must lick the stomach lining.

Calling a French / German/ Italian a bas*** is racist. Try it and see,
If anyone is the sad act here, it is you.

You are the epitomy of what's gone wrong with the political stances in the UK. One minute you're bragging that you are pocket millionaire, the next you're the spokesperson of the working class.
But that sums up the Labour infiltration of what was the working class party. Infiltrated by liberal, university champagne socialists like you, telling us poor people that you know better.

Anyway, one more time

Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/

[ramAnag]

I did. It is. QED you are

Its also the end of my contribution to this little cul de sac. The original query was from rA, and despite my inability to either explain things clearly enough or convince him of my stance, our conversation has remained cordial, with an attempt at constructive responses going both ways. I won't speak for rA, but from my side, when he makes a point in such a manner, it makes me think about 'things', including whether I'm right. Your venting, I'm afraid, only makes me think about what your life problems are (seriously), so by all means vent away but don't expect a response. Your tasteless 'look what I've got fellahs' rant from a few days ago, which you haven't yet had the good grace to apologise for, tells us all what sort of person you are, and that's not the sort of person I take much notice of anyway - In 'real life' you are the pub bore, eventually left ranting to the poor barman alone as the other 'regulars' find another pub. I guess that's what's happening here

Please don’t bring me into it, Andy. The whole thread has degenerated into the Tricky v Swale v AF bullsh*t show as far as I’m concerned and the post immediately above typifies how unbelievably childish the forum has become.

Perhaps it would be better to look at the manifestation of Brexit in terms of the Northern Ireland implications or the ridiculous stand off in the waters off Jersey earlier today.
As regards our cordial ‘disagreement’...I invariably find that people take more notice of others who don’t actually resort to abuse. Disagreement and looking at things from someone else’s perspective can be very ‘healthy’ imo, but you actually haven’t got back to me on the source of our Brexit disagreement for almost a week.

[Andy_Faber]

Please don’t bring me into it, Andy. The whole thread has degenerated into the Tricky v Swale v AF bullsh*t show as far as I’m concerned and the post immediately above typifies how unbelievably childish the forum has become.

Perhaps it would be better to look at the manifestation of Brexit in terms of the Northern Ireland implications or the ridiculous stand off in the waters off Jersey earlier today.
As regards our cordial ‘disagreement’...I invariably find that people take more notice of others who don’t actually resort to abuse. Disagreement and looking at things from someone else’s perspective can be very ‘healthy’ imo, but you actually haven’t got back to me on the source of our Brexit disagreement for almost a week.

yes you're right - there are reasons (apart from forgetting the question) and I'll expose my response to scrutiny later

[Trickytreesreds]

Perhaps it would be better to look at the manifestation of Brexit in terms of the Northern Ireland implications or the ridiculous stand off in the waters off Jersey earlier today.

Very good point, but as I see it, both seperate.
I blame the EU for putting the pressure on Ireland and using North and South as a tool.
Jersey has the right to control it's own fishing system and France is the one doing the bullying. The EU is conspicuous in its absense, with a member states actions.

[ramAnag]

Perhaps it would be better to look at the manifestation of Brexit in terms of the Northern Ireland implications or the ridiculous stand off in the waters off Jersey earlier today.

Very good point, but as I see it, both seperate.
I blame the EU for putting the pressure on Ireland and using North and South as a tool.
Jersey has the right to control it's own fishing system and France is the one doing the bullying. The EU is conspicuous in its absense, with a member states actions.

I didn’t say they weren’t separate...obviously they are. What they have in common however is that they are both byproducts of Brexit.
There are, imo, a great many Brexit related issues that have been disguised by attention understandably given to the Covid crisis.
Northern Ireland is one, fishing is another...others may well relate to our international travel freedoms and conveniences, the extra expense involved in posting items to Europe, the problems involved in attracting apparently much needed temporary migrant labour from Europe etc. All things which were, at best, glossed over or denied by the Remain campaign.

[Trickytreesreds]

I didn’t say they weren’t separate...obviously they are. What they have in common however is that they are both byproducts of Brexit.
There are, imo, a great many Brexit related issues that have been disguised by attention understandably given to the Covid crisis.
Northern Ireland is one, fishing is another...others may well relate to our international travel freedoms and conveniences, the extra expense involved in posting items to Europe, the problems involved in attracting apparently much needed temporary migrant labour from Europe etc. All things which were, at best, glossed over or denied by the Remain campaign.

RA my point was, if common ground and co operation is needed for good sense. One side is doing it's level best to be as awkward as possible.
You may have the opinion that Brexit is n't worth this hassle, but I have the opinion that it reinforces why I wanted to leave.
The smiles soon fade way when you take away another childs toys.

Saw this little comment earlier.
Don't know which station it was on, but it sums up the French attitude of getting their own way, perfectly.

Just heard on the radio from a spokesman for the Jersey Fishing Industry, that not one Jersey boat has been granted a license to fish in French waters since Brexit. Though they were told if they provided the documented evidence they fished in French waters before, they would be granted licenses.
They provided the evidence within 3/4 days and EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS REFUSED ! Yet the French are screaming that they either didn't know about the documented evidence to be able to fish in Jersey waters, or they haven't been given enough time and they had 4 MONTHS !!

PS, migrant labour will be accepted where needed. The right to upsticks and come willy nilly, has ended.
They need to apply, seeing as we are struggling without the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57008220

[ramAnag]

RA my point was, if common ground and co operation is needed for good sense. One side is doing it's level best to be as awkward as possible.
You may have the opinion that Brexit is n't worth this hassle, but I have the opinion that it reinforces why I wanted to leave.
The smiles soon fade way when you take away another childs toys.

Saw this little comment earlier.
Don't know which station it was on, but it sums up the French attitude of getting their own way, perfectly.

Just heard on the radio from a spokesman for the Jersey Fishing Industry, that not one Jersey boat has been granted a license to fish in French waters since Brexit. Though they were told if they provided the documented evidence they fished in French waters before, they would be granted licenses.
They provided the evidence within 3/4 days and EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS REFUSED ! Yet the French are screaming that they either didn't know about the documented evidence to be able to fish in Jersey waters, or they haven't been given enough time and they had 4 MONTHS !!

PS, migrant labour will be accepted where needed. The right to upsticks and come willy nilly, has ended.
They need to apply, seeing as we are struggling without the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57008220

I’m not actually defending the French attitude, Tricky...I don’t know enough about the ins and outs and I’m aware of areas of the British media who are, ridiculously, trying to blow all this ‘gun boat diplomacy’ into a second Falklands scenario.

Some will doubtless swallow it and see another opportunity for a rendition of ‘Britain Rules the Waves’...it’s rubbish imo...we’d be much better off being on good terms with our geographical neighbours and allies...as we were before the unnecessary jingoism of Brexit.

Don’t expect you to agree...Brexit is one of a number of issues which we will always disagree over.

[swaledale]

I did. It is. QED you are

Its also the end of my contribution to this little cul de sac. The original query was from rA, and despite my inability to either explain things clearly enough or convince him of my stance, our conversation has remained cordial, with an attempt at constructive responses going both ways. I won't speak for rA, but from my side, when he makes a point in such a manner, it makes me think about 'things', including whether I'm right. Your venting, I'm afraid, only makes me think about what your life problems are (seriously), so by all means vent away but don't expect a response. Your tasteless 'look what I've got fellahs' rant from a few days ago, which you haven't yet had the good grace to apologise for, tells us all what sort of person you are, and that's not the sort of person I take much notice of anyway - In 'real life' you are the pub bore, eventually left ranting to the poor barman alone as the other 'regulars' find another pub. I guess that's what's happening here

Oh f@ck off you odious stupid little man, childishly repeating something that is obviously incorrect I mean explain how a Uk white citizen can make a racist remark about other white Uk citizens? Its obviously not racist, but as i observed before, stating that white is black when it clearly isn't does not mean its black, it just means the person who said that is stupid.

I thought even you would be capable of understanding the english language but clearly not.

Venting? of course I vent when confronted with an covert xenophobe and racist like you, who hides behind a mask of respectability whilst clearly being a narrow minded little Englander who hasn't a ****ing clue what he is talking about.

As for reasonable argument making you think? What a liar you are! You don't respond to reasonable argument, you don't even acknowledge when your utterly wrong, you nit pick little details and sneer, ignoring the main argument, debating with you and others on here of your ilk is like talking to ignorant children.

The sort of person you don't take notice of is anybody who dares to challenge your covert racism, xenophobia and bigotry.

As for my response to Thicky, oh dear so me responding to his "fail" comment by telling him to take a look at his sad little life was more offensive than him posting a link to a far right facebook page then?

Someone aims a shot at me, I return that right back, look at thyself before acting like a superior arsehole.

So I'm in the wrong for rebutting his jibe, pointing out that he is in fact the fail and not me, but you are happy for such links to be posted on this forum? mm that kind of sums you up in a nutshell, an utter scumbag.

As far as i'm concerned you can all f@ck off, your mostly a sad bunch of utter ignorant w@nkers, of which you are clearly the biggest, judging by the utter bull**** you post on here.

Toodle pip sad old man, enjoy your make believe world in which you can make words mean whatever suits your bigoted views, it beggars belief that can even type to post.

[swaledale]

Liar liar, pants on fire

So esay to expose you Fail,
Full of **** and so far up your own ass, you must lick the stomach lining.

Calling a French / German/ Italian a bas*** is racist. Try it and see,
If anyone is the sad act here, it is you.

You are the epitomy of what's gone wrong with the political stances in the UK. One minute you're bragging that you are pocket millionaire, the next you're the spokesperson of the working class.
But that sums up the Labour infiltration of what was the working class party. Infiltrated by liberal, university champagne socialists like you, telling us poor people that you know better.

Anyway, one more time

Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/Liar/

OMG how utterly sad and childish can one get? How utterly stupid to not be able to distinguish between race and nationality, do you even understand the english language?

AS for lies, well seeing as you repeat utter tosh from dubious internet sites, I'm guessing you must be quite used to lies!

Anyway I shall think of you in your dead end job, bemoaning the fact that those who had the gumption and ability bettered themselves whilst those who didn't claimed victim status and moaned and whinged all the time. Now about that new car i'm looking for, maybe a tesla as one needs to save the planet and what shall i do tomorrow when you working for **** all?

Ha ha ha ha ha stupid pathetic little man go **** yourself, because nobody else will!