OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

So. Tariff free but not extra documentation (and therefore cost-) free.

All Gupta is saying is that having a deal is better than no deal at all. Something they can handle. He's not saying it's great or an improvement on how things were but it's it's way better than a nod eal wud have been.

I may be wrong but "things not being as bad as they might have been" doesn't feel like a win.

I read some thing funny yesterday Maddy. It was from a hauler, who was complaining he has to fill in a 10 page document for every different item he hauls, He sends things to Hong Kong as well but that only requires a 2 page document?We have had Dutch and French border officials confiscating ham and cheese sandwiches from truckers?
You see the pettyness of this is mainly from one side.
So be it. The resolve will get harder.

They never seem to learn. Already we have MP's saying that the fishing rules in 5 years will change drastically. The EU will get less than ever as a result. One thing already done, which has got the Spanish crying, is the downgrading of EU officials to not having full diplomatic immunity
The EU is an entity not a country.
This upsets the Spanish accusing us being petty. Coming from a country regularly violating Gibraltan waters and being cockbadgers on the border is actually quite funny.

[swaledale]

What a relief it is not to have to read Thicky's hogwash! Ignore is a wonderful thing! You can't argue with a dumb mind so I won't.

In Brexit news the government seems to be sinking even lower and to what end? Pissing off your biggest and closet trading partner seems unwise and counter productive.

in a row that has been rumbling for a year alongside Brexit trade talks, the government is refusing to give full diplomatic status to the EU’s ambassador to the UK, João Vale de Almeida and his 25-strong mission. The Foreign Office claims it does not want to set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way it treats a nation state, with diplomats afforded the privileges and immunities under the Vienna Convention.

Which is total *******s because Britain has ambassadors to any number of international organisations from the OECD to the World Trade Organization, and expects them to have full diplomatic status – not paying local taxes, the CD number plate, and other assorted rights. The UK insists its head of delegation to the World Bank and the IMF also have ambassadorial status.

Our man in Brussels, Sir Tim Barrow, was previously UK ambassador in Moscow, and he is unlikely to take kindly to having his own status downgraded, which is the obvious reciprocal action the EU can take if No 10 insists on this childish, petulant decision to refuse the normal diplomatic status that [U]142 countries around the world grant to EU delegations.

In 2018, the Trump administration did something similar, at time when the US president was denouncing the EU as a “foe”. A year later the decision was reversed, perhaps Trump’s then ambassador to the EU, former hotelier Gordon Sondland, was concerned he would have lost all his rights and privileges in exchange.

Britain’s rupture with Europe has many fallouts. The loss of collegial and cooperative work with member states’ ambassadors as well as with the EU overseas missions can only weaken the Foreign Office and the quality of information that flows into the red box of the prime minister and others who receive diplomatic cables.

More importantly it shows a complete lack of class! How much more damage can our mini Trump do to the Uk's reputation?

[swaledale]

The Johnson government has negotiated an excellent deal on trade in goods – excellent for the EU, that is. German cars can continue to flow into Britain, along with other manufactured goods, in which the EU has a trade surplus with the UK. For the 80% of the British economy which is services, almost everything still remains to be agreed. That includes financial services, which make up close to 10% of British exports. Some €6bn (£5.3bn) worth of European trades left the London Stock Exchange for markets inside the EU on the first day of trading this year. Le Figaro ironically called this a “Big Bang”. (Now what is the French for schadenfreude?)

An excellent report written by trade expert David Henig for the advocacy group Best for Britain argues that the Johnson deal is only “a framework for future cooperation”. He goes on to identify a long list of areas where it would be in Britain’s longer-term economic interest to secure further agreements. Many of these, such as a finding of “equivalence” for Britain’s financial services, are in the unilateral gift of the EU – and some can be withdrawn at will, as the Swiss have found out. The asymmetry of power between the two sides is now more acute than ever.

And all for what? If “sovereignty” means a state’s formal legal authority to make its own laws, adjudicated by its own courts, then the UK has gained some more sovereignty. If “sovereignty” means the effective power of a state to control its own destiny and advance its national interests, then the UK has lost sovereignty.

[MadAmster]

Already we have MP's saying that the fishing rules in 5 years will change drastically. The EU will get less than ever as a result. One thing already done, which has got the Spanish crying, is the downgrading of EU officials to not having full diplomatic immunity
.

Yes, they will get less. It's part and parcel of the deal they just signed and they understand that. What won't change in 5 years is the seemingly endless number of forms to be filled in and that is not going to help UK/Scots fishermen one iota.

Less documents needed for Hong Kong than for the EU? That's probably down to the content of the deal signed with the Chinese a few years back. It's also irrelevant. What is relevant is, and I don't know the answer to this, both the UK and Canada have very recent deals with the EU, how many forms would a UK company have to fill in to export 100 tons of grain to the EU and is that the same number as a Canadian company would have to fill in for 100 tons of grain? If so then the UK is being treated the same as any other 3rd (ie. non-EU) country. If we have to fill more in then BoJo has right royally screwed up.

[AdiSalisbury]

I read some thing funny yesterday Maddy. It was from a hauler, who was complaining he has to fill in a 10 page document for every different item he hauls, He sends things to Hong Kong as well but that only requires a 2 page document?We have had Dutch and French border officials confiscating ham and cheese sandwiches from truckers?
You see the pettyness of this is mainly from one side.
So be it. The resolve will get harder.

They never seem to learn. Already we have MP's saying that the fishing rules in 5 years will change drastically. The EU will get less than ever as a result. One thing already done, which has got the Spanish crying, is the downgrading of EU officials to not having full diplomatic immunity
The EU is an entity not a country.
This upsets the Spanish accusing us being petty. Coming from a country regularly violating Gibraltan waters and being cockbadgers on the border is actually quite funny.

Quoted just so Swale has to read what the "dumb mind" wrote.

[Trickytreesreds]

Quoted just so Swale has to read what the "dumb mind" wrote.

Adi, he read it. You know he did.
He's an habitual bull****ter and con merchant. He's fooling no one anymore. He even threw in the obligatory insult.
Keyboard child.

[swaledale]

Quoted just so Swale has to read what the "dumb mind" wrote.

Marvellous, usual load of rubbish then!

[Trickytreesreds]

, like I said, fooling no one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNqu...l=RobertFisher

[swaledale]

UK meat exporters have claimed post-Brexit customs systems are "not fit for purpose", with goods delayed for hours, sometimes days, at the border.

The British Meat Processor Association said even experienced exporters were struggling with the system.

It said meat exports to the EU were 25% of normal levels for this time of year.

One large French meat importer told the BBC that he and his competitors were starting to look at alternative suppliers in Spain and Ireland.

The BBC has contacted the government for comment.

Nick Allen, chief executive of the British Meat Processor Association, said: "Fundamentally, this is not a system that was designed for a 24/7, just-in-time supply chain.

"The export health certification process was designed for moving containers of frozen meat around the world where you have a bit of leeway on time.

"No matter how much better we get at filling in the forms, it's really not fit for purpose. This is going back to the dark ages in terms of a process really, in this digital age."

He added "It's going to be a problem for quite a time until we move forward and hopefully get a better digital system in place and can make it work a bit better, but until then, we've got to put up with all this paperwork and lorries arriving in Ireland with box files full of paper."

[swaledale]

OH my! this has made my day! I've spent the last 3 plus years making a living doing this, because it was my view that given the ludicrous desire to not only leave the EU, (fair enough the vote was marginally in favour of that)but also the single market and customs union then UK firms were going to find it irksome and costly to trade directly with customers in the EU from the UK.

Many were not convinced at first, believing that the Tories were the party of business (despite their leader memorably saying "F@@ck business" and that the magic unicorn of frictionless trade would be retained after Brexit. Many now say how relieved they they took my advice as its saved them 100's thousands of pounds. Now it appears its unofficial Goverment advice, well at lest the advic eof the civil servants who know reality!

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

The heads of two UK businesses that have been beset by Brexit-related problems have told the Observer that, following advice from experts at the Department for International Trade, they have already decided to register new companies in the EU in the next few weeks, and they knew of many others in similar positions. Other companies have also said they too were advised by government officials to register operations in the EU but had not yet made decisions.

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

The heads of two UK businesses that have been beset by Brexit-related problems have told the Observer that, following advice from experts at the Department for International Trade, they have already decided to register new companies in the EU in the next few weeks, and they knew of many others in similar positions. Other companies have also said they too were advised by government officials to register operations in the EU but had not yet made decisions.