OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

I’m not sure who you think constitutes the ‘silent majority’ or what they stand for.
I’m not necessarily one for ‘trendy agendas’ but the more ‘tolerant’ - for want of an infinitely better word - views as regards women’s rights, Gay rights, disability and racial discrimination which have emerged since the 1950’s were probably all initially dismissed as ‘trendy’ and ‘new fangled’.
Not everything that is modern is good and not everything that is old fashioned is bad but we have to stop chucking the proverbial ‘baby out with the bath water’ and strive for a fairer and more egalitarian society imo. Can’t see modern Conservatism doing that.

[swaledale]

The pro-Brexit boss of pub chain JD Wetherspoon has urged the government to increase migration from the EU to deal with a shortage of workers in the hospitality sector.

Tim Martin, who campaigned for a hard Brexit, including leaving the single market and the end of freedom of movement which came with it, urged Boris Johnson to consider a new, “reasonably liberal” visa scheme.

What did these ****s think they wanted?

[swaledale]

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Brexit shrank UK services exports by more than £110bn over a four-year period, new research shows, highlighting the far-reaching trade implications of Britain’s decision to break away from the EU.

Experts at Aston University in Birmingham found that UK services exports from 2016 to 2019 were cumulatively £113bn lower than they would have been had the UK not voted to quit the EU in June 2016.*

The researchers calculated the figure by projecting how industries from IT and finance to business services would have grown if they had continued on their previous paths, and compared that with how they had actually progressed since the vote for Brexit. The gap was £113bn.*

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The fear is that Britain would no longer have to guarantee the “free movement” rights of EU citizens to live and work in this country, and Brits who have settled in Europe would lose the same rights.

But Leave campaigners have said the fears are unfounded, saying the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties will protect everyone’s free movement rights. Actually it doesn't. it only guarantees citizens rights within a state.

International law can be tricky for the layman to interpret, so we asked a number of leading academics who specialise in these areas for their views.

Unusually, there was almost complete agreement from our expert panel. This is what they said…

EU citizenship ends with Brexit

If Britain withdraws, Brits will no longer be EU citizens, and EU citizens will lose their right to live in the UK based on the EU treaties.

Any arrangements that allow UK citizens to continue to live and work in the rest of the EU – and the other way around – will have to be negotiated.

So another big lie told by Vote leave.

[MadAmster]

Ever since the vote, the British Consulate/Embassy has had regular sessions, online and in person, with British expats over here keeping us up to date on the state of the negotiations and, when there was any action we had to take, what to do and where to do it to ensure you could stay.

I presume the UK representatives in Spain and elsewhere in Europe will have done exactly the same. Any UK expat who, as has happened with quite a few (a lot?) in Spain, "has had to move back to the UK" only has themselves to blame. They have either not bothered to attend meetings or simply believed everything would be "OK".

[Andy_Faber]

Ever since the vote, the British Consulate/Embassy has had regular sessions, online and in person, with British expats over here keeping us up to date on the state of the negotiations and, when there was any action we had to take, what to do and where to do it to ensure you could stay.

I presume the UK representatives in Spain and elsewhere in Europe will have done exactly the same. Any UK expat who, as has happened with quite a few (a lot?) in Spain, "has had to move back to the UK" only has themselves to blame. They have either not bothered to attend meetings or simply believed everything would be "OK".

The set up in Spain is not as efficient as that in The Netherlands but there are lots of resources to help people along. Our own convoluted family set up includes a couple who have 'residencia' (full resident rights but not citizenship) 'recognicion' (partial rights and an NEI (national insurance number) and subject to some taxes) and a couple who are legacy expats who own property but have no recognicion, and the resources provided fron the UK side are OK in all cases - the problem is that the spaniards have a devolved government conytrolled by 'the town hall' which is a bloody nightmare to work through - the same before/after Brexit of course. My friend the Irish Nurse married to a Spaniard has exactly the same problems and she speaks fluent Catalan and Mallorquin

No-one, to my knowledge, has made the necessary efforts and still had to return to UK

[MadAmster]

The set up in Spain is not as efficient as that in The Netherlands but there are lots of resources to help people along. Our own convoluted family set up includes a couple who have 'residencia' (full resident rights but not citizenship) 'recognicion' (partial rights and an NEI (national insurance number) and subject to some taxes) and a couple who are legacy expats who own property but have no recognicion, and the resources provided fron the UK side are OK in all cases - the problem is that the spaniards have a devolved government conytrolled by 'the town hall' which is a bloody nightmare to work through - the same before/after Brexit of course. My friend the Irish Nurse married to a Spaniard has exactly the same problems and she speaks fluent Catalan and Mallorquin

No-one, to my knowledge, has made the necessary efforts and still had to return to UK

..... which was the point I was wanting to make. Apparently it didn't come over that way.

[Andy_Faber]

..... which was the point I was wanting to make. Apparently it didn't come over that way.

It did, I was just offering the Balearic spin

[MadAmster]

It did, I was just offering the Balearic spin

Ta, feel better now

[ramAnag]

See Johnson’s ‘oven ready’ Brexit deal seems to have been particularly half baked as far as Northern Ireland is concerned, not to mention the ramifications relating to any future US trade deal. Who’d a thought?