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[oldcolner]

But whatever the sum is using BTs argument, quite a lot of this money is inward investment that creates jobs in areas of unemployment and salaries of crew who have submariner skills. 180 billion over 30 years is £6b a year.

Unilateral disarmament is not a good idea. By all means if all countries abandon nuclear weapon submarines then yes I’m all for it, till Kim Jong does his thing.

From the MoD - £6bn seems high
The annual operating costs of Trident are expected to be around 5% to 6% of their budget every year, or around £2 billion. That’s about 1% of government spending on social security and tax credits in 2015/16.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

It's time for the Labour Party to have ago methinks!

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[oldcolner]

Labours policy on Trident in their manifesto is to keep it. (Or should I say was in May) it’s perhaps changed now as Labours policies often seem to do.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nberry-remarks

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Labours policy on Trident in their manifesto is to keep it. (Or should I say was in May) it’s perhaps changed now as Labours policies often seem to do.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nberry-remarks

Please do not confuse Corbyn's pragmatism with Maybot's stupidity.

[sinkov]

It's time for the Labour Party to have ago methinks!

Which one ?

[sinkov]

Please do not confuse Corbyn's pragmatism with Maybot's stupidity.

I never have that problem, the difference between them is huge. One is a hypocritical bag of leftie ****e, the other is an empty vessel, a political opportunist who saw Brexit as a means to progress her career, and having got where she wanted to be, hasn't a fecking clue what to do next.

Hang around Boris, your time is coming.

[1959_60]

Just when this country really needs a set of very wise and intelligent people to act on our behalf we end up with Davis, Boris and May.

But...if the alternative is Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and Watson then we are doomed.

In my opinion, none of the above could negotiate a bend, never mind Brexit.

Vince Cable, your time has come!

[sinkov]

Even Vince would have difficulty dancing round these Bexit 'negotiations' 59-60, simply because there aren't any. They refuse to negotiate, they simply sit there stony-faced and wait for our concessions. No amount of wisdom, intelligence, dancing skills or political nous can move negotiations on when one side refuses to negotiate.

The only surprise to me is that anyone is surprised that the negotiations have stalled. It's been obvious from the start that this is the EU plan, even that Greek chap (I can't spell his name) was over in summer telling everyone what would happen, it was just the same when he negotiated with them during the Greek crisis, no negotiating, they just sat there until the Greeks caved in. The Greeks had no other option but to cave in, we do. I just hope our side can keep their nerve, ignore the traiterous bleatings from the fifth columnists in this country, and simply stare back at them. Once it begins to dawn on them that no deal means no divorce settlemant for them, lorry queues at Dover means lorry queues at Calais, Ostend and Zeebrugge, no planes flying out of the UK to Europe means no planes flying out of Europe to the UK, and WTO rules will cost them more than us, they might just blink first.

[1959_60]

I actually think that the divorce bill will be sorted pretty quickly.

But how on earth can the Irish border issue be agreed?

If there is a hard border then it could easily see a return to the troubles.

If there is no hard border then how can taxes be collected? And how do they stop migrants from entering the UK without border checks?

No wonder Northern Ireland voted to remain.

[sinkov]

We are addressing this Irish problem 59-60, but apparently not getting much help from the EU in this area either. This is from the CapX website,

"Interestingly, senior diplomats apparently don’t see the Irish question, which is the third element related to the “divorce stage”, as an obstacle to making “sufficient progress”.
When it comes to the transitional period, the UK probably has provided more clarity than the EU by now on what it wants.
First of all, there’s the UK government proposal to join a temporary common customs union with the EU right after it has exited the EU and therefore also its customs union in March 2019. It hasn’t got the attention it deserves, but this solution would sort out the Northern Irish border question at least for the transition, as the UK’s tariffs would match Ireland’s. This would result in Britain to become similar to Turkey during the transition. Britain would effectively outsource much of its trade policy to Brussels. What’s not to like about this for the eurocrats?
The only thing the UK is demanding is that it is free to negotiate trade deals, which would then come into force the moment the UK leaves that common customs union. That would then also be when it has adapted its customs systems and has agreed technical solutions to achieve minimal disruption at the Northern Irish border. The EU hasn’t properly reacted to that, and oddly, Ireland even demanded such a solution in September, after Britain had already suggested it – although Ireland said this should be a permanent and not a temporary arrangement."