Derek McInnes

[curvasud]

A fair chunk of DMs reign has been in a weakened league and cups though.
No Rangers for a fair bit, Hearts, Hibs and D Utd either relegated or relatively weak for chunks of it.

Anything other than at least 2nd during his time is a failure, and that’s happened twice with Motherwell beating us into 3rd and Killie putting us 4th. Getting to the semis surely also must be/have been a bare minimum with the weakened cups?

For me, he’s done probably a bit less than bare minimum.

This is the worst argument ever. These clubs still existed with almost the same budget and weren't away for that long. Ones that were relegated deserved to be relegated and other clubs such as Inverness, Motherwell and St Johnstone took turns to perform superbly in their place.

Getting to the semis is a minimum because McInnes made it a minimum. The wild celebrations the first time we got to a semi show that. Then we got to 3 out of 4 and it became standard. Now it's expecting a final, or expecting to win it. Bare minimum for f uck sake...hold on, less than bare minimum

[curvasud]

Leicester had 81pts when winning the league, 41pts the year before that, Championship the year before that, Championship year before that, and the year before that, AND the year before that.... You get where I'm going with this??

I'm pretty sure that the expenditure between Man City/Man Utd/Chelsea and Leicester the year they won the league was not too dissimilar from us to Celtic, however, they didn't let that stop them dreaming! If you aim for 75 points a season then you'll never aim for winning it.

Compared to that season you mentioned 16/17 we now are debt free, in a fancy dan new training facility, spending more on wages etc than ever before so why should we not expect to be doing significantly better than that total?

Jesus min. Significantly better? We overperformed in 16/17. Look at the damn results list. It's bloody hard to improve from that isn't it? A few extra grand a week for a player or 2 is not going to change much and certainly not the type of player we can attract, afford or buy.

[ZakkTheMakk]

Jesus min. Significantly better? We overperformed in 16/17. Look at the damn results list. It's bloody hard to improve from that isn't it? A few extra grand a week for a player or 2 is not going to change much and certainly not the type of player we can attract, afford or buy.

Overperformed in your opinion, doesn't make it fact. We could all label each season as over or under perform based on our own thoughts. My own view still stands, outwith the games against the farm then we should be looking at winning 70-80% of them at least and this be done due to the factors I mentioned earlier. Do we currently have a manager that believes he can win 60% of the non farm games let alone 70-80%??? I seriously doubt we do and that permeates through the squad.

Looking at the results you say it's bloody hard to improve on them, you say "We were playing out our skins. Pure fatigue, lack of options, injuries, red cards, penalties, mistakes and simply what happens in 90 minutes". So out of the first 4 games we mustered 3 goals and recorded 1 win with 3 draws, these fixtures including St Johnstone, Caley and Hearts. So 6 points from a possible 12 where we had 3 home games... Do I think we can better that??? I bloody well hope so or what's the point?? Or was that simply down to fatigue, injuries, red cards etc??

[Mason89]

One thing we definitely haven’t done under McHunnis, is over performed

[curvasud]

Overperformed in your opinion, doesn't make it fact. We could all label each season as over or under perform based on our own thoughts. My own view still stands, outwith the games against the farm then we should be looking at winning 70-80% of them at least and this be done due to the factors I mentioned earlier. Do we currently have a manager that believes he can win 60% of the non farm games let alone 70-80%??? I seriously doubt we do and that permeates through the squad.

Looking at the results you say it's bloody hard to improve on them, you say "We were playing out our skins. Pure fatigue, lack of options, injuries, red cards, penalties, mistakes and simply what happens in 90 minutes". So out of the first 4 games we mustered 3 goals and recorded 1 win with 3 draws, these fixtures including St Johnstone, Caley and Hearts. So 6 points from a possible 12 where we had 3 home games... Do I think we can better that??? I bloody well hope so or what's the point?? Or was that simply down to fatigue, injuries, red cards etc??

We did start the league season slowly but were in Europe flying all over and the league cup so yes fatigued and it was of course a heap of new players playing together (Lewis, O'Connor, Burns, Stockley, Storey in that first St Johnstone game). Hayes was out injured after Maribor until the 5th game. We did win 73% of non old farm games.

[curvasud]

One thing we definitely haven’t done under McHunnis, is over performed

Aye that season we finished 2nd in all 3 competitions wasn't overperforming, nor was finishing above them again the next season. Calderwood brighter and more likeable, not much difference

[ZakkTheMakk]

Answer for everything eh? You just can't accept that there were many moments upon reflection that could've been improved upon can you?

We must be the only team in world football that has had to contend with new players at the start of the season eh?

Oh wait McInnes had been in charge since March 2013 so surely it was his doing that we were in that position in the first place?

And to have such reliance on one player so early on in the season speaks volumes of his recruitment?

Yes 73% that season so just imagine if we had done better in those early games or not had silly defeats like the Hamilton or Ross County ones, we might even have got close to..... drum roll..... 80% which earlier on in the chat seemed wildly optimistic

[Mason89]

Aye that season we finished 2nd in all 3 competitions wasn't overperforming, nor was finishing above them again the next season. Calderwood brighter and more likeable, not much difference

Willie Miller finished second in everything to arguably the best hun team in living memory. I don’t remember him quite having the pom poms out like you have. Do you think he looks back on that season as a success or failure?

Mark McGhee got just about everything wrong at Aberdeen but he was spot on about a number of folk in the NE. Drainers.

[curvasud]

Answer for everything eh? You just can't accept that there were many moments upon reflection that could've been improved upon can you?

We must be the only team in world football that has had to contend with new players at the start of the season eh?

Oh wait McInnes had been in charge since March 2013 so surely it was his doing that we were in that position in the first place?

And to have such reliance on one player so early on in the season speaks volumes of his recruitment?

Yes 73% that season so just imagine if we had done better in those early games or not had silly defeats like the Hamilton or Ross County ones, we might even have got close to..... drum roll..... 80% which earlier on in the chat seemed wildly optimistic

Individually those games could be won. There's a reason that no team wins every game, even Man City, which you're struggling to understand or accept.

If we'd won those other games you're talking about it would have been like 16 game winning streaks and the manager would 100% be poached immediately. Ours was making headlines after 8 and was of course offered the Sunderland job.

[curvasud]

Willie Miller finished second in everything to arguably the best hun team in living memory. I don’t remember him quite having the pom poms out like you have. Do you think he looks back on that season as a success or failure?

Mark McGhee got just about everything wrong at Aberdeen but he was spot on about a number of folk in the NE. Drainers.

Your weegie bitterness towards Aberdeen is delightful.