o/t how much power do politicians really have?

[the_idiotb_stardson]

Just watching buffoon Boris, launch his leadership campaign. It all seems so futile and pointless.

Many still seem believe the illusion that politicians and governments are running the show.

I don't buy this anymore.

It's the billionaires that hold the power and the governments dance to their tune.

My mate says I am a conspiracy nut, so I thought I would ask the posters on MM about it.

How influential are politicians in shaping our world?

[Silly-miller]

It would explain the mess we are in. If what you said is true and billionaires are running things then you can assume that there are billionaires wanting out of Eu and billionaires wanting to stay in Eu other wise they wouldn’t have any deadlock in parliament.

I’m a neutral voter I vote for what I thinks best regardless of the party

Voted
Labour
Labour
Lib Dem
Tory
And would probably vote brexit party if a election came up at minute

My opinion of politicians isn’t a good one anyone who says labour are for the people I laugh my head off. Labour Tory are all out for themselves

[EasyAndEarly]

Out of the two main party's labour are the lesser of two evils by a long way. The recent history of the Tory rule and injustice - even being in contempt / actually telling lies to getting bad policy through parliament.

Anyone who has followed the tory onslaught via austerity on it's own people can't want it to continue. Their acts of injustice are historic - labours frailties should be viewed through less than veiled attempts to undermine their actual socialist policies.

All news nowadays needs a highly developed filter based on experience of past lies and political smokescreens.

[Silly-miller]

Out of the two main party's labour are the lesser of two evils by a long way. The recent history of the Tory rule and injustice - even being in contempt / actually telling lies to getting bad policy through parliament.

Anyone who has followed the tory onslaught via austerity on it's own people can't want it to continue. Their acts of injustice are historic - labours frailties should be viewed through less than veiled attempts to undermine their actual socialist policies.

All news nowadays needs a highly developed filter based on experience of past lies and political smokescreens.

Sorry but I think they are both equally bad. I still remember labour MPs embezzling money and hiding it just like half of them are trying to overturn a referendum. I would be more likely to vote labour after brexit than before. There’s more labour MPs trying to stop it than Tory’s. Best thing Corbyn could do is tell next prime minister he and his brexit faction will let it go through if he and his supporters call for a general on November 1st.

It won’t happen though because they are for the few and not the many

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Dennis McShane, Lord Ahmed just to name two locals

[great_fire]

The main parties are run by the people who fund them, big business and banks in the Tory case and the unions in the Labour case and they are also both (currently anyway) under the overall control of the EU.

So not that powerful really.

[gm_gm]

It would explain the mess we are in. If what you said is true and billionaires are running things then you can assume that there are billionaires wanting out of Eu and billionaires wanting to stay in Eu other wise they wouldn’t have any deadlock in parliament.

I’m a neutral voter I vote for what I thinks best regardless of the party

Voted
Labour
Labour
Lib Dem
Tory
And would probably vote brexit party if a election came up at minute

My opinion of politicians isn’t a good one anyone who says labour are for the people I laugh my head off. Labour Tory are all out for themselves

That’s great Silly, you have clearly used intelligence and voted based on issues rather than a tribalism....that makes you a minority in these parts

[Silly-miller]

That’s great Silly, you have clearly used intelligence and voted based on issues rather than a tribalism....that makes you a minority in these parts

Tell me about it I always used to hear from people I’m voting labour because I have always voted labour. Which baffles me since they are all as bent as each other.

Strange things going on now I was talking to a group of 11 people in pub next to polling station and only 2 said they would vote labour 7 said they would vote for brexit party unless we came out (1 said he voted remain but would vote brexit party for democracy) and 2 wanted to vote Lib Dem’s and walked away after they heard 7 people say brexit party. When I asked (the ones who were left) if they would go back to labour after we left EU all of them said they would.

I think people even the stubborn ones are annoyed with the Tory’s and labour.

Iv even seen protesters outside John Healy’s office.

Problem I have with labour at the moment is I think it will be a absolute disaster if labour got in not because of Corbyn but because of how split the party is on brexit.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

My mother has as far as I know always voted Labour. Recently she said to me “I hate that Corbyn, he’s an idiot”