The Corona Virus

[sinkov]

This board is full of miserable, cynical buggers who never seem to post anything positive.

I'll be you a fiver it doesn't happen super?

You mean like cynical, miserable buggers who were predicting 30 odd thousand deaths in the last two months of the year 59 ? These miserable buggers are everywhere mon ami, what can you do, you just have to let their imaginations run riot, they're harmless really.

[sinkov]

Meanwhile Wave 3 on the way,

Let me know when Wave 2 arrives will you please OC. I'm waiting patiently.

[sinkov]

Anyone think this pantomime will be over soon ? Think again.

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The next elections are on May 6th. Merry Christmas.

[Norder]

The more serious issue in one single word is FREIGHT, OC.
I know I'm a bit on the slow side, but I've just realised the Frogs, Eyeties and Krauts can literally starve us to death.
A good idea might be for you lot to invest in my new venture."Atlantic Convoys Inc"

dont worry BT - there's this landowner called - Queen Elizabeth II - she's got about 6 billion acres of land dotted around, give her a bell, ask if she'll donate some of it to her "subjects"

[oldcolner]

Let me know when Wave 2 arrives will you please OC. I'm waiting patiently.

[oldcolner]

dont worry BT - there's this landowner called - Queen Elizabeth II - she's got about 6 billion acres of land dotted around, give her a bell, ask if she'll donate some of it to her "subjects"

The sovereign's public estate", is neither government property nor part of the monarch's private estate.The sovereign is not involved with the management or administration of the estate, and exercises only very limited control of its affairs. Instead, the estate's extensive portfolio is overseen by a semi-independent, incorporated public body headed by the Crown Estate Commissioners, who exercise "the powers of ownership" of the estate, although they are not "owners in their own right". The revenues from these hereditary possessions have been placed by the monarch at the disposition of Her Majesty's Government in exchange for relief from the responsibility to fund the Civil Government. These revenues thus proceed directly to Her Majesty's Treasury, for the benefit of the British nation.

[sinkov]

Throughout November and for the first week in December OC, NHS hospitals in England, had more critical care beds available than the average of the last five years. I can't find any more up to date figures on the NHS website, but clearly the 2nd Wave had not crashed onto Blighty's shores by the first week of December. Please let me know when it does.

[oldcolner]

This may bring it home to the sceptics

Jamaal Lascelles and Allan Saint-Maximin are suffering from after-effects of Covid
One in 10 Covid survivors suffer lasting symptoms three months after illness
The infected players cannot even walk for 30 mins before needing to go to bed

At least 10 players and staff have been affected by the virus at the club. Isaac Hayden, Federico Fernandez and Emil Krafth have confirmed they were among that number. Bruce said it is 'frightening' the impact it has had on two of them, with concern remaining for their long-term health.

'My thoughts are with the two players, and the welfare of them,' he said. 'It's frightening when you think they are young and fit and absolutely supreme athletes. If anybody needs reminding of how serious this is, then we have witnessed it.

'We've had vomiting, sores, mouth ulcers, no smell, no taste, but the big thing, and which is the worrying, is the welfare of one or two of them. It's not great at all.

'That long-term Covid is something which you wouldn't think possible in young, fit, athletes. Unfortunately, it is so.

[oldcolner]

Throughout November and for the first week in December OC, NHS hospitals in England, had more critical care beds available than the average of the last five years. I can't find any more up to date figures on the NHS website, but clearly the 2nd Wave had not crashed onto Blighty's shores by the first week of December. Please let me know when it does.

You keep saying this Sinkov. The second wave is of infections.
The treatment protocols have changed since March when it seemed Ventilation was the appropriate treatment for many with demands for more ventilators and this led to many patients being admitted to ICU and new ICU hospitals who were unlikely to recover and those who were there for weeks, effectively blocking the beds for weeks and months.
This article shows how some patients were still in ICU after 3 months

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-risen-10.html

New treatments were tried and tested as a result and found to be superior to ventilation.
Patients are now assessed to different criteria, those who won’t survive are known more accurately from a raft of tests and not admitted to ICU, whilst many who need breathing support are now given oxygen therapy and steroids in specialist wards (NOT ICUJ but under ICU consultant supervision. This has led to greater survival, faster recovery and discharge and lower death rates.

Only those expected to survive are being admitted for ventilation. Thus ICU beds are not as important as they were statistically. Patients in hospital with Covid are a better measure. As non urgent admissions are cancelled hospitals have enough beds at present and as major operations needing intensive care support are cancelled lower rates of ICU occupancy are not unexpected.

[sinkov]

This may bring it home to the sceptics

You get yourself confused OC, that some people die from this disease is self-evident, that some people get ill is self-evident, there are also some who will suffer long term effects. As far as I'm aware lockdown sceptics do not dispute this, they dispute the claims that lockdowns can prevent these deaths and illnesses, we've had four months of lockdowns, a couple of months of tier restrictions, 6 months of mask wearing all to no obvious effect. And all that without even mentioning the catastrophic effects of lockdowns on routine medical care, mental health, people's jobs businesses and the general economy. It's best summed up by pointing out that the cure is far more deadly than the disease.

Incidentally, whilst searching for evidence of the 2nd Wave I found this,

Excess deaths in England compared to five year average.

Peaked 17th April, 11,370 excess deaths. Highest weekly figure so far this autumn, 20th November, 1,985 excess deaths. Hardly can be called a 2nd Wave, but it is a bit of a ripple, I'll grant you that.