The Corona Virus

[oldcolner]

From EU Brexit thread
The EU has cocked up Covid vaccines in a massive way
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ggest-failure/

Briefly the Eu regulators have yet to approve the German Pfizer vaccine, want all EU countries to start vaccinating at the same time causing more delays, haven’t ordered enough doses of it and won’t get sufficient for three months haven’t ordered Moderna vaccine. Their economy will be lose another quarter as a result. Germans are hopping mad at te bureaucracy and photos of UK patients getting their vaccine two weeks ago have sent them ballistic.

Even then it declined the full offer of 500m doses for the EU27. The Commission ordered just 200m, with an option for 100m more. It also turned down most of the offer from Moderna, the other mRNA front-runner.

According to Der Spiegel there had to be parity with Sanofi’s "French vaccine", which has since gone badly awry and is unlikely to come on stream before the end of 2021. "Buying more from a German company wasn't in the cards,” said one source.

You think our Governent has cocked up read this to see we aren’t that bad after all. This is exactly why we need to leave.
Happy days

[The Bedlington Terrier]

It grieves me enormously to say it OC, but I would much prefer our blonde-haired, grinning, smirking, clueless clown to try and organise this current COVID-19 pi$$ up in a brewery, rather the shower of bullying, EU bureaucrats in Brussels...

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[sinkov]

You haven’t answered Who are behind lockdownsceptics, what are their political aims? To undermine politicians, governments, promote insurrection, division, destroy public confidence in healthcare, the media, pharmaceutical industry?? All of these it seems to me, They are anonymous but taking your money - for what?

You and your colleagues in lockdownsceptics do them a great disservice and treat them all with great disrespect
Your website cited the CDC report on vaccines but then chose to try to scaremonger from a comment on a table, not from the text and ignore the fact the text actually says there were only 6 anaphylactic deaths. This is misinterpretation deliberate or accidental.

Dear me OC, I think you read too many John Le Carre novels, or perhaps the Guardian activists you've been reading do. It's hard to take the above seriously, but I'll do my best.

Lockdown sceptics is run by Toby Young from a shed at the bottom of his garden, you can read all about it most weeks in his Spectator column, he's quite open about the work entailed collating everything and the long hours it entails. If it has any political aim it goes right over my head, as far as I can tell it exists purely to challenge the government narrative on lockdowns, and provide some counterbalance, which for reasons beyond me, is not forthcoming from the MSM.

I have no idea who the 'they' are who are anonymous, Young runs it, contributors are named, except for the occasional NHS professional who has to insist on anonymity if they wish to keep their job. No one takes my money, they ask for donations, I've never contributed a penny, I'm a tight git, I have no colleagues at Lockdown Sceptics, I have never contributed to it, I don't know anyone involved in it. It's a website I check each day for an alternative view, it's a view the government and the media doesn't want known, but to me just another website, amongst many others I read to try as best I can, to ascertain the truth about what's going on in the Covid world.

There's nothing secretive about it OC, have a look for yourself, open your mind mon ami, have a look each day, you'll find something of interest I promise,

[sinkov]

"What you haven’t answered is what are your motives in undermining politicians, public health, government statistics, WHO protocols, lockdowns, masks, vaccine use, testing for the virus and more. It seems to be an obsession for what purpose, to destroy madders confidence and promote viral spread? Politicians are getting the blame for the actions of people changing the dynamics, doing what it seems you want and spreading the virus faster whilst the virus is always mutating."

My motive OC is only to undermine the lies of politicians and their misuse of the stats.

I'll start at the beginning, we were told on the daily press briefings back in April, that the lockdown was to flatten the curve, save the NHS from being overwhelmed, but then when the NHS had been saved, the curve flattened, the Nightingales never needed, the reason for lockdown morphed into controlling the virus. This seemed a tad disingenuous to me, but never mind, let that pass, what really caught my attention was the graph, charting the Covid deaths, that they showed on a daily basis during the briefings. They, the government spokesmen and women, and their scientific advisors, were claiming that the lockdown was responsible for the falling number of deaths, but every day the chart popped up on screen showing that deaths peaked on April 8th and the lockdown which began on March 23rd could not have been responsible for the falling death rate.

I was astounded at the bare faced effrontery of this, a great big lie, exposed by their own figures on a daily basis on national TV, but no one seemed to notice, least of all the MSM journos asking the questions at the end, and still they continued to lie about it. Once someone lies to me OC, I lose all faith in them, and so I started to look for other lies they were telling, and found many of them, I could give you a list as long as your arm, and many of their lies I've exposed on here. That's my motive OC, to expose their lies, and I need no more than their own stats and figures to do it.

Sadly you don't like me exposing their lies, mais c'est la vie, mon ami. I am certainly pleased that we can agree to be opponents but not enemies. I do not doubt your motives, I really do wish you wouldn't doubt mine.

[Supersub6]

OC and sinkov ---whatever is promulgated through the various media sources will always be open to debate and I have found your opinions to be interesting to say the least.

Let's face it, none of us really know what is going on because, as has always been the case, they only tell you what they want you to know or, indeed, what they want you to believe and none of us really know who 'they' are, even when it comes from government sources.

As I said on an earlier post, the sad thing is that a large number of people have lost the art of thinking for themselves and need to be told what to do and are receptive to any sort of thing, particularly when it comes through the all-powerful media sources which, in their eyes, can never be wrong.

You two guys use your different resources and prompt debate, however, I do think that a lot of it is done tongue in cheek and, in any case, has no influence on how I may think or do. Keep up the good work guys!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I only follow empirical evidence to make judgement calls, so tomorrow my 91 year old father-in-law who is deemed "vulnerable" will only have me and the Child Bride for company. After following the "evidence" I really can only make that one decision. He is stricken with cancer, but as yet he has not been vaccinated, even though I would suggest he be prioritised.

The empirical evidence clearly shows lockdowns are futile, face masks on their own are next to useless, Nightingale Hospitals are not and never have been worth the financial maelstrom created to build them. Bodies are not piling up, our hospitals are not full, nor are they at "breaking point".

Unlike my father-in-law, 99.9% of us will not die if we catch the virus, the evidence shows record government borrowing and spiralling national debt, an economy that is in meltdown, countless thousands of small to medium businesses are ruined. Real, empirical evidence reveals people are losing their homes and suicide and mental illness are out of control.

Poverty for those at the bottom of the social ladder is real, foodbanks are growing exponentially, hospitality and tourist sector job losses are at a record high and we will have one day at Christmas for those brave enough to wrap themselves in the bubble with the likelihood of having their collar felt for doing so.

This is not the rantings of an old left wing socialist, this is evidence based and the evidence points towards us all being railroaded by an endemically, corrupt and manipulative set of shysters who have reeked a dystopian nightmare on millions of people to "protect" 0.1% of the United Kingdom's population.

The draconian measures are way too excessive and we need to rage against it otherwise we will suffer another year of this nonsense while the rich get richer and the rest of us can just go under the bus.

[oldcolner]

It grieves me enormously to say it OC, but I would much prefer our blonde-haired, grinning, smirking, clueless clown to try and organise this current COVID-19 pi$$ up in a brewery, rather the shower of bullying, EU bureaucrats in Brussels...

I agree, this could all have been sorted in a few weeks but for the antagonistic EU trying to devise ways of keeping us in for the money. The withdrawal agreement and Brexit deal could and should have been agreed at the same time. May should have taken control. Thank goodness Boris did.
The Irish back stop was always a nonsense if a deal was agreed, but Varadkhar loved his moments of glory and stuffing the UK, likewise Macron with fish. Will be great to say bye, and then hello again. Nice to the bureaucracy causing 27 countries Covid pain so quickly and the French German axis being at the root of it.

[oldcolner]

OC and sinkov ---whatever is promulgated through the various media sources will always be open to debate and I have found your opinions to be interesting to say the least.

Let's face it, none of us really know what is going on because, as has always been the case, they only tell you what they want you to know or, indeed, what they want you to believe and none of us really know who 'they' are, even when it comes from government sources.

As I said on an earlier post, the sad thing is that a large number of people have lost the art of thinking for themselves and need to be told what to do and are receptive to any sort of thing, particularly when it comes through the all-powerful media sources which, in their eyes, can never be wrong.

You two guys use your different resources and prompt debate, however, I do think that a lot of it is done tongue in cheek and, in any case, has no influence on how I may think or do. Keep up the good work guys!

Thanks super, great to know we have no impact! ��
I think you misjudge the power of the media on youngsters, they don’t know newspapers, rarely watch domestic channels and have little interest in politics.

Re thinking for themselves. Just heard of a lady who needed to go to Edinburgh for a hair appointment in lockdown and got stopped en route and sent back by police. She went a different way and got stopped again. The police computer told them it was her second time so that was £960 fine. Expensive non hairdo!

[oldcolner]

Sinkov
Re undermining the lies of politicians and their misuse of the stats, that’s a full time job. I keep saying almost all Governments are acting as we have so global fame awaits.
Just reflect on the consequences you promote, no lockdowns, no masks, no increase in deaths... then look at the Us or move there, then you’ll be happy x till Biden comes into office lol
Merry Xmas

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Sinkov
Re undermining the lies of politicians and their misuse of the stats, that’s a full time job. I keep saying almost all Governments are acting as we have so global fame awaits.
Just reflect on the consequences you promote, no lockdowns, no masks, no increase in deaths... then look at the Us or move there, then you’ll be happy x till Biden comes into office lol
Merry Xmas

With the greatest of Christmas goodwill that is a crock of sh!t OC. It is estimated around 30 million Americans are living below the recognised poverty line and the same number do not have access to health care or health insurance. God Bless America and all who die there.