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    From the Telegraph,

    "Ministers and Whitehall officials insist they want to avoid a "blame game" for the UK's apparently under-powered efforts to carry out mass coronavirus testing to date. But the remarks that follow such claims tend to involve implicit or explicit criticism of Public Health England, the quango responsible for protecting the nation from health emergencies, such as pandemics. A recent, official survey of PHE's own staff found that confidence in the organisation's leadership was lacking from within as well. Less than half (49 per cent) of the body's employees, 81 per cent of whom took part in the survey, said they had confidence in the decisions of senior managers.

    In Downing Street too, confidence appears to have been lacking in recent weeks both in the Department of Health and PHE, with an acknowledgement that more should have been done earlier to roll out mass-testing, particularly of NHS staff unable to work because they or members of their household had displayed Covid-19 symptoms. One claim repeated inside and outside of Whitehall is that PHE has failed to capitalise on offers of help from the private and academic sectors, to help increase its capacity."


    And here's the full SP,

    "Despite what Corbynites like to claim, Britain’s National Health Service has always relied heavily on the private sector for lots of things. The food it serves to patients is not grown on state-owned farms, nor are the pills it prescribes manufactured in state-owned factories. Yet when it comes to diagnostic tests there seems to be a reluctance to buy them in, even from other public bodies let alone from private firms. This ideological prejudice is proving costly.

    A new report by Matthew Lesh for the Adam Smith Institute, published today may explain the British failure compared with other countries when it comes to tackling the current pandemic by testing. On 14 March, Britain was the fifth best country for quantity of Covid-19 viral tests performed per capita. By 30 March it had fallen to 26th in the league.

    The contrast with the United States is especially striking. America was found badly wanting at the start of the epidemic when the federal Centers for Disease Control insisted on controlling the process of testing people for the virus. It 'sought to monopolise testing, discouraged the private sector developing its own tests and misled state and local authorities about efficacy of its tests', writes Lesh. After heavy criticism, it reversed course, decentralised the system and rapidly expanded testing.

    Germany and South Korea began farming out the work of testing samples to contractors from the very start. Britain did not. It initially sent all samples to one laboratory, at Colindale, in north west London. Public Health England also 'chose to develop and encourage the use of its own diagnostic tools, rather than seeking the development of a range of private sector tools and providing fast-track approval', Lesh finds. On 12 February, it began to use 12 other laboratories, but still only with its own tests.

    When the number of people showing symptoms shot up in the second week of March, rather than outsource the testing, the NHS simply gave up testing all but patients in hospital. As if to reinforce the centralisation strategy, the government then announced the construction of a huge new testing facility in Milton Keynes, which may work well eventually but to date has been accumulating testing devices donated by universities some of which are sitting idle. The centralisation urge runs deep in this organisation.

    By all accounts government ministers were calling for more involvement of the private sector from the start but their orders were being frustrated somewhere inside the bureaucracy of the NHS and Public Health England. The excuse was that the reliability of the tests had to be maintained at a high level, or else false positives and false negatives would cause confusion and danger. So even when other laboratories were eventually allowed to do tests, any 'presumptive positives' had to be sent to Colindale for confirmation right up till 28 March. The United States had suspended a similar policy on 14 March.

    Lesh reports that 'On 27 January, South Korean regulators summoned the top 20 medical companies to a special meeting to give them one key task: develop an effective test to detect the novel coronavirus. At the time, South Korea had just four known cases.' In Germany, as Dr Christian Drosten of Berlin’s Charité University Hospital explains, 'Germany does not have a public health laboratory that would restrict other labs from doing the tests. So we had an open market from the beginning.'

    Here, private-sector providers were banging on the door of the NHS throughout, offering to do testing. These were not cranks and charlatans, but reputable firms like Northern-Ireland based Randox, one of the biggest manufacturers of diagnostic tests in the world (and the list of companies trying to help includes, I hereby disclose, QuantumDX, a Newcastle based startup in which I became an early stage investor several years ago). I have spoken to neither of these two firms lest they think I am the source for this article and become subject to retribution, but I have heard rumours from others that conversations became heated.

    This reluctance of the NHS to buy new tests is not new. One diagnostic industry insider complained to me some years ago that 'I can sell in 140 countries, but the country I find hardest to crack is my own'. Probably not all the blame lies at the door of the public sector. The shortage of reagents to use in the testing kits is now clearly a problem, and some of this may be down to the way the reagents have been bought up by the big private firms that make the testing cassettes used in the key PCR machines that diagnose the presence of viral RNA. So there may yet prove to be a blockage caused by Big Pharma, which for whatever reason has left Britain exposed. Unlike America, we lack home-grown manufacturers of the key materials – a hole in our life-science industrial strategy, it seems. Yet centralisation is plainly a big part of the problem. Lesh finds that 'The UK’s Covid-19 testing has been dangerously slow, excessively bureaucratic and hostile to outsiders and innovation. There appears to be an innate distrust of outsiders. PHE has actively discouraged use of private sector testing. Even within the system, the process for testing and validation is very centralised.'"

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    Here you are BT, the real culprits are not Hancock and the Government, try our wonderful NHS and Public Health England if you want to apportion blame.

    From the Telegraph,

    "Ministers and Whitehall officials insist they want to avoid a "blame game" for the UK's apparently under-powered efforts to carry out mass coronavirus testing to date. But the remarks that follow such claims tend to involve implicit or explicit criticism of Public Health England, the quango responsible for protecting the nation from health emergencies, such as pandemics. A recent, official survey of PHE's own staff found that confidence in the organisation's leadership was lacking from within as well. Less than half (49 per cent) of the body's employees, 81 per cent of whom took part in the survey, said they had confidence in the decisions of senior managers.

    In Downing Street too, confidence appears to have been lacking in recent weeks both in the Department of Health and PHE, with an acknowledgement that more should have been done earlier to roll out mass-testing, particularly of NHS staff unable to work because they or members of their household had displayed Covid-19 symptoms. One claim repeated inside and outside of Whitehall is that PHE has failed to capitalise on offers of help from the private and academic sectors, to help increase its capacity."


    And here's the full SP,

    "Despite what Corbynites like to claim, Britain’s National Health Service has always relied heavily on the private sector for lots of things. The food it serves to patients is not grown on state-owned farms, nor are the pills it prescribes manufactured in state-owned factories. Yet when it comes to diagnostic tests there seems to be a reluctance to buy them in, even from other public bodies let alone from private firms. This ideological prejudice is proving costly.

    A new report by Matthew Lesh for the Adam Smith Institute, published today may explain the British failure compared with other countries when it comes to tackling the current pandemic by testing. On 14 March, Britain was the fifth best country for quantity of Covid-19 viral tests performed per capita. By 30 March it had fallen to 26th in the league.

    The contrast with the United States is especially striking. America was found badly wanting at the start of the epidemic when the federal Centers for Disease Control insisted on controlling the process of testing people for the virus. It 'sought to monopolise testing, discouraged the private sector developing its own tests and misled state and local authorities about efficacy of its tests', writes Lesh. After heavy criticism, it reversed course, decentralised the system and rapidly expanded testing.

    Germany and South Korea began farming out the work of testing samples to contractors from the very start. Britain did not. It initially sent all samples to one laboratory, at Colindale, in north west London. Public Health England also 'chose to develop and encourage the use of its own diagnostic tools, rather than seeking the development of a range of private sector tools and providing fast-track approval', Lesh finds. On 12 February, it began to use 12 other laboratories, but still only with its own tests.

    When the number of people showing symptoms shot up in the second week of March, rather than outsource the testing, the NHS simply gave up testing all but patients in hospital. As if to reinforce the centralisation strategy, the government then announced the construction of a huge new testing facility in Milton Keynes, which may work well eventually but to date has been accumulating testing devices donated by universities some of which are sitting idle. The centralisation urge runs deep in this organisation.

    By all accounts government ministers were calling for more involvement of the private sector from the start but their orders were being frustrated somewhere inside the bureaucracy of the NHS and Public Health England. The excuse was that the reliability of the tests had to be maintained at a high level, or else false positives and false negatives would cause confusion and danger. So even when other laboratories were eventually allowed to do tests, any 'presumptive positives' had to be sent to Colindale for confirmation right up till 28 March. The United States had suspended a similar policy on 14 March.

    Lesh reports that 'On 27 January, South Korean regulators summoned the top 20 medical companies to a special meeting to give them one key task: develop an effective test to detect the novel coronavirus. At the time, South Korea had just four known cases.' In Germany, as Dr Christian Drosten of Berlin’s Charité University Hospital explains, 'Germany does not have a public health laboratory that would restrict other labs from doing the tests. So we had an open market from the beginning.'

    Here, private-sector providers were banging on the door of the NHS throughout, offering to do testing. These were not cranks and charlatans, but reputable firms like Northern-Ireland based Randox, one of the biggest manufacturers of diagnostic tests in the world (and the list of companies trying to help includes, I hereby disclose, QuantumDX, a Newcastle based startup in which I became an early stage investor several years ago). I have spoken to neither of these two firms lest they think I am the source for this article and become subject to retribution, but I have heard rumours from others that conversations became heated.

    This reluctance of the NHS to buy new tests is not new. One diagnostic industry insider complained to me some years ago that 'I can sell in 140 countries, but the country I find hardest to crack is my own'. Probably not all the blame lies at the door of the public sector. The shortage of reagents to use in the testing kits is now clearly a problem, and some of this may be down to the way the reagents have been bought up by the big private firms that make the testing cassettes used in the key PCR machines that diagnose the presence of viral RNA. So there may yet prove to be a blockage caused by Big Pharma, which for whatever reason has left Britain exposed. Unlike America, we lack home-grown manufacturers of the key materials – a hole in our life-science industrial strategy, it seems. Yet centralisation is plainly a big part of the problem. Lesh finds that 'The UK’s Covid-19 testing has been dangerously slow, excessively bureaucratic and hostile to outsiders and innovation. There appears to be an innate distrust of outsiders. PHE has actively discouraged use of private sector testing. Even within the system, the process for testing and validation is very centralised.'"

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    All I can do sinkov is yawn...

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    I'll save you the trouble of reading it mon ami, what it says is the shambolic testing situation in this country is not the fault of Hancock or the government or the private sector, it's down to a dysfunctional Public Health England and a useless NHS.

    But you lefties just love FAKE NEWS, never let the truth stand in the way of a good Tory bashing story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    I'll save you the trouble of reading it mon ami, what it says is the shambolic testing situation in this country is not the fault of Hancock or the government or the private sector, it's down to a dysfunctional Public Health England and a useless NHS.

    But you lefties just love FAKE NEWS, never let the truth stand in the way of a good Tory bashing story.
    They have been running the show for the last decade sinkov. The fault lies with them FFS!

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    Public Health England BT, this is what they are responsible for according to their own website.

    Protecting the nation from public health hazards.

    Preparing for and responding to public health emergencies.

    Supporting local authorities and the NHS to plan and provide health and social care services such as immunisation and screening programmes, and to develop the public health system and its specialist workforce.

    Researching, collecting and analysing data to improve our understanding of public health challenges, and come up with answers to public health problems.


    "Preparing for public health emergencies", that's their job, and I humbly suggest we are currently experiencing a public health emergency, and we aren't prepared for it, not by a million miles. They have a budget of £4.5 million, they have 5,000 employees, they have 200 senior executives on more than £100k a year, and they're a fecking shambles. The testing regime is farcical, because of their decisions, we're running out of PPE, well why has it come to this, WTF are their 5,000 well paid employees doing about it, it's their job to prepare and respond to emergencies like this, but they haven't, and so they're clearly not fit for purpose.

    We have a £5 billion PHE and a £140 billion NHS with thousands of employees to handle this sort of thing and they've failed miserably, Hancock has only been in the job a few weeks but it's all his fault, all the fault of one man ? FFS BT, get real mon ami.

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    Correction, I said above that Public Health England has a budget of £4.5 million, that should be £4.5 billion. Apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    Correction, I said above that Public Health England has a budget of £4.5 million, that should be £4.5 billion. Apologies.
    I had to check those figures sinkov, I thought no bloody wonder we can't supply PPE with only £4.5 million to play with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    I had to check those figures sinkov, I thought no bloody wonder we can't supply PPE with only £4.5 million to play with!
    But with £4.5 billion to play with, 5,000 employees and plenty of forewarning that this was coming, why cannot they supply front line NHS workers with PPE ? It's their remit, it's their job, that's what they get well paid to do. If you go on their website BT they've had to publish the expense sheets of their top execs in response to an FOI request. It's an eyeopener, on top of their huge salaries, thousands a month claimed as they swan all over the country and the world at our expense, and all the while nurses put their lives at risk for lack of basic protection.

    Instead of wittering on about Hancock BT, why not for once train your guns on the real enemy ?

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    Hancock is our Health Minister de facto boss of the NHS. When I was in my own heyday, this was my mantra...

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