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    Quote Originally Posted by LaxtonLad View Post
    All you mention and others (coal, steel, post office, gas, electric, oil,) were nationalised industries that were costly but were functioning well under a socialist government. Then along came the promises, propaganda and privatisation from the Tories, profits rose and efficiency fell.

    And here we are now, with a massively underfunded NHS which would soon have disappeared if the Conservative party had had their way and the virus had not struck. Where would we have been in two years time if they were still in power and the virus had waited and struck then?
    Be very careful, Laxative, or Serious and Joe Soap will want to check the colour of your underpants.

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    ... oh yes, I remember the 'socialist' government - you know, the one actually run by the unions - who make Momentum look like *****s - who bullied employees, operated closed shops, kept development to a minimum in order to protect workers from having to get into production levels our competitors were lapping up; and more or less bankrupted the country. It's true, Libour mess things up; the Conservatives get us out of the mire for an often ungrateful nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_pie View Post
    The real test is how many days the coal was really needed. We were near the brink of using all available and imported power a couple of times over the winter. Too many things in this country are running too close to the limit including NHS, Rail, Roads, Power, major airports, water supply, sewage, to name a few. A puff of wind, drop of snow or a good soaking and we're in trouble.
    I agree with this. Whilst it’s great that we are not using coal and are having coal free days in the U.K. we still have some way to go.

    According to link to the grid watch approximately 36% of our electricity is generated by Combined Cycle Gas Turbine (CCGT). I presume this is Natural gas generated power? If so that is a fossil fuel so we still need to do more as a nation to limit this use. Also we need to be less reliant upon natural gas being imported from the continent and beyond and become self sustaining.

    We need to increase the amount of hydroelectric power we generate here in the U.K. This country is blessed with many rivers, lakes, streams and is an island surrounded by water. It rains a lot here compared to many countries around the world as well.

    If we really want to become a totally green nation then this is where we need to look. Infrastructure projects such as reservoirs and dams would also help with flooding in some areas and could control the flow of water into Rivers whilst also generating electricity.

    Likewise dealing with our waste by creating Biogas to use to provide power for homes and transport using the anaerobic digestion process.

    Here in Nottingham the city is very much at the forefront of Biogas usage with Nottingham City Transports buses being the largest bus company in the world to run vehicles using Biogas. We have the anaerobic digestion plant at Colwick.

    The big question is what businesses and government are going to invest in these kind of technologies and projects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD_MAGPIE View Post
    I agree with this. Whilst it’s great that we are not using coal and are having coal free days in the U.K. we still have some way to go.

    According to link to the grid watch approximately 36% of our electricity is generated by Combined Cycle Gas Turbine (CCGT). I presume this is Natural gas generated power? If so that is a fossil fuel so we still need to do more as a nation to limit this use. Also we need to be less reliant upon natural gas being imported from the continent and beyond and become self sustaining.

    We need to increase the amount of hydroelectric power we generate here in the U.K. This country is blessed with many rivers, lakes, streams and is an island surrounded by water. It rains a lot here compared to many countries around the world as well.

    If we really want to become a totally green nation then this is where we need to look. Infrastructure projects such as reservoirs and dams would also help with flooding in some areas and could control the flow of water into Rivers whilst also generating electricity.

    Likewise dealing with our waste by creating Biogas to use to provide power for homes and transport using the anaerobic digestion process.

    Here in Nottingham the city is very much at the forefront of Biogas usage with Nottingham City Transports buses being the largest bus company in the world to run vehicles using Biogas. We have the anaerobic digestion plant at Colwick.

    The big question is what businesses and government are going to invest in these kind of technologies and projects?
    I can't agree with your solutions, hydroelectric is terribly damaging to the environment. Biogas is not carbon free, and counting Biomass as low carbon footprint for stuff brought over by ship from the USA is just a fiddle of figures because they only start counting the carbon from when it arrives.

    We want lots of clean electricity then Nuclear is the only way and I hope that Rolls Royce make progress on their manageable small scale reactors rather than having massive infrastructure projects that are just about out of date by the time they go on-line.

    PS Biogas for buses is an improvement of course, just not a large scale solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaxtonLad View Post
    All you mention and others (coal, steel, post office, gas, electric, oil,) were nationalised industries that were costly but were functioning well under a socialist government. Then along came the promises, propaganda and privatisation from the Tories, profits rose and efficiency fell.

    And here we are now, with a massively underfunded NHS which would soon have disappeared if the Conservative party had had their way and the virus had not struck. Where would we have been in two years time if they were still in power and the virus had waited and struck then?
    I can pretty much guarantee you that coal and steel would be no longer no matter who ran them unless there was a level of state subsidy that would probably be more than what is being injected to fight the virus! The Post Office should easily be self sustaining and as for the rest they are basic necessities and I cant see any problem with how they are run currently that would have bettered them with state intervention. As for the NHS you have a valid point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    I can pretty much guarantee you that coal and steel would be no longer no matter who ran them unless there was a level of state subsidy that would probably be more than what is being injected to fight the virus! The Post Office should easily be self sustaining and as for the rest they are basic necessities and I cant see any problem with how they are run currently that would have bettered them with state intervention. As for the NHS you have a valid point.
    I was recruited from the UK to work for what what then the PostMaster General's Department in Perth WA. So being a good government concern and being a public servant, even though on the first rung of my professional career. travel was FIRST CLASS, I was given the option to fly or sail and pay commenced on the date of embarkation. 25days later (the Suez was closed so had to go the long way round) I arrived in Fremantle to be met by the Head of the Telephone side plus my immediate boss. Everything was done in typical government fashion though I had a knack of finding loopholes and expediting things and other engineers didn't understand how I got away with it.

    Then the big split and I was in Telecom Australia and my god did the ethos change. Customer was king and we had to adopt a "can do" approach rather than "this is what the regulations are". People got phones, phone lines, trenches were dug all the way North, South and East and where trenches couldn't be dug Microwave was put in. OK, some of this was going on anyway but with none of the energy that followed. We all went on management courses, we all had work projects to complete or supervise to give workers confidence in taking on new tasks. And the only hint of Union troubles I encountered (bearing in mind the news from the UK was power shortages, strikes, 3 day weeks ah ah glad I'm out of there!) were resolved before they started by including staff and Unions in any change decisions. Amazing how much support there was once "they" (really "we") gave when they were part of the ideas. Of course some of that might just be because Australia was young and more dynamic, but they had before then embraced the British Civil Service way of working. Oh - and no more First Class travel except for those at the very top.

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    The film has been taken down by youtube.

    ‘Blatant act of censorship’: Michael Moore green energy doc taken off YouTube after copyright claim by environmentalist opponent.

    https://rt.com/news/489745-michael-m...ntary-youtube/

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    Interesting critique of the film here:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ent-falsehoods

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    Never seen it, but if the expertise of people supporting it is anything to go by, it’s a load of rammel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogslater View Post
    To me key workers are as big hero's as the the pilots of fighter command in 1940.
    100% agree, and I include hospital porters, supermarket workers, delivery drivers and everyone that has kept this country going the last few months as a key worker.

    I have never been a fan of celebrities and they are even now more irrelevant now in my opinion.

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