Obamagate

[Deadlydave]

You seem to agree with Trump that, when a story is critical of him, then it is the media who are to blame for broadcasting Fake News.
You live there Dave, so you know better than me if this is actually true.
But when you say that you have seen evidence against Obama etc then can you put it up on here so that we can see it as well? And I presume that this evidence doesn't come from the media, because you don't trust it?

Whether you live in the States or the UK we have all seen Trump in action, whether that be on the news or via his tweets. And I will take some convincing that he is the right man to be leader of the free world.

You obviously disagree, which is fine, but I'm just glad that he's not in charge over here. Boris is bad enough thank you very much!

That's a cop out my little friend. If you are interested enough in truth and are impartial/open minded then go and look at the research for yourself and you find little nuggets such as general Flynn is charged for discussing sanctions with the Russian Ambassador on the famous phone call. Problem is the FBI NEVER asked him about the sanctions so how could he lie?? The FBI 302 form shows they only asked about the expulsion of Russian diplomats at the end of 2016 not the sanctions. Therefore NO possible Logan ACT violation. Being sent to jail for an issue that was not criminal and for an event that he was never asked about! Interesting this thing called justice and impartiality. Forget Trump hatred or what any ones politics is the question is; is lady justice still blind and does truth and fact matter anymore?? This is how we all lose our freedom.

[1959_60]

Forgive my lack of knowledge on this Dave, but why did Flynn plead guilty to lying to the FBI during Muller's investigation?

[army88]

That's a cop out my little friend. If you are interested enough in truth and are impartial/open minded then go and look at the research for yourself and you find little nuggets such as general Flynn is charged for discussing sanctions with the Russian Ambassador on the famous phone call. Problem is the FBI NEVER asked him about the sanctions so how could he lie?? The FBI 302 form shows they only asked about the expulsion of Russian diplomats at the end of 2016 not the sanctions. Therefore NO possible Logan ACT violation. Being sent to jail for an issue that was not criminal and for an event that he was never asked about! Interesting this thing called justice and impartiality. Forget Trump hatred or what any ones politics is the question is; is lady justice still blind and does truth and fact matter anymore?? This is how we all lose our freedom.

Wow Deadly - you’ll up set the apple cart on here most are real Trump haters ( why I’ve no idea ) , they’re as left as left can be and love propaganda,

I’m sure that if you go back a few presidents and read into their tenure you can dig up plenty of dirt and it’s all about how you process it and believe

For me anyway Trump is good for America and it’s economy and I’ve said that many times on here - he just doesn’t fit the mould of a manipulable puppet that the powers can control.

I know he doesn’t get everything right and makes odd stupid mistakes but overall as a business man I’d take him.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I know he doesn’t get everything right and makes odd stupid mistakes but overall as a business man I’d take him.

I worked and lived in the US for four years in the eighties and love the country and the people. What I found hard to understand about the richest country on earth was the "rich/poor" divide.

I have also continued to take an avid interest in US politics and business because of my emotional attachment to the place. It seems like the "rich/poor" divide is still prevalent, with an estimated 50 million American citizens living in poverty.

Become ill and you die is the "American Way" for the poor and I see no evidence of the Trump administration addressing that. He goes against every principle I hold dear because I am a socialist and Trump hates socialism and socialists!

I had the choice to stay in the US and apply for permanent residency because of my job, but I chose to return home to England and have never really regretted it. I would be a rabid Democrat if I had chosen to live on the other side of the Atlantic, that is for sure!

[Deadlydave]

Forgive my lack of knowledge on this Dave, but why did Flynn plead guilty to lying to the FBI during Muller's investigation?

They threaten his son with indictment and financial ruin in defending the charges. Check it out they had a secret deal that Flynn new lawyer has just exposed with his previous law firm Covington. It never ends when the government wants you shut up and out of the way. The deal was also not disclosed; which is a breech. As it stand Mike Flynn is a political victim charged with a crime he never did; in a set up hoax that was politically engineered after the FBI itself concluded there was not case to answer and the file be closed. The seventh floor of FBI HQ decided otherwise after the infamous Jan 5th 17 meeting by Obama at the Whitehouse. If this was Trump who did this do you think the media would have been on this like bees around honey?? The MSM and the democrats where made for each other; Look over there a Squirrel.

[army88]

I know he doesn’t get everything right and makes odd stupid mistakes but overall as a business man I’d take him.

I worked and lived in the US for four years in the eighties and love the country and the people. What I found hard to understand about the richest country on earth was the "rich/poor" divide.

I have also continued to take an avid interest in US politics and business because of my emotional attachment to the place. It seems like the "rich/poor" divide is still prevalent, with an estimated 50 million American citizens living in poverty.

Become ill and you die is the "American Way" for the poor and I see no evidence of the Trump administration addressing that. He goes against every principle I hold dear because I am a socialist and Trump hates socialism and socialists!

I had the choice to stay in the US and apply for permanent residency because of my job, but I chose to return home to England and have never really regretted it. I would be a rabid Democrat if I had chosen to live on the other side of the Atlantic, that is for sure!

That divide exists everywhere BT I can’t understand why you think that’s fixable in the Us or here - there will never be or has been a equality like you allude to , it’s in some to do better and some not to care - and others in between.

If you stop that you stop progression, entrepreneurs and life in general.

I believe your trying to fix something that doesn’t need fixing , from the dawn of time there has been stronger- weaker -cleverer and it will continue to be that way.

[army88]

BT I’m interested to hear if you think socialism has changed in our country , I mean the Labour Party today is so much closer to the conservatives than ever before in fact there is very little between them, I mean Labour politicians have children privately educated and yet mock conservatives for the same thing ( just one example really ).

What is you’re view on this for example ? Is that acceptable or not ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BT I’m interested to hear if you think socialism has changed in our country , I mean the Labour Party today is so much closer to the conservatives than ever before in fact there is very little between them, I mean Labour politicians have children privately educated and yet mock conservatives for the same thing ( just one example really ).

What is you’re view on this for example ? Is that acceptable or not ?

My own view army88 is that they are traitors to the proletariat and are nothing more than wannabe bourgeoisie turds. Tony Blair being the prime example. Full employment, NHS health care and a living wage for the many, not the few is not too much to ask is it?

Attachment 15816

[1959_60]

Obama: 8 yrs

0 indictments
0 lawsuits
0 rape accusations
0 articles of impeachment
0 friend child *** traffickers
0 **** star NDA

Trump: 3 yrs

34 indictments
3500 lawsuits
22 rape accusations
2 articles of impeachment
2 friend child *** traffickers
1 **** star NDA

[alfinyalcabo]

That certainly puts things into perspective .. How the phook is he still in power and not in jail is beyond me. He must have a hold over some powerful people.. Good old Donald..

I can can remember him when he tried to bully the people up in Aberdeen over that golf course by trying all sorts to get them off the land ..