O/T Disgrace Cummings

[caytonmiller]

Tories have done very little for me or my family in all the time I've voted. Don't despise the Tories, just won't vote for them.
Don't particularly like Boris or Cummings and think Rishi Sunak and Raab come across much better.
My kids / grandkids were brought up to realise everyone can better themselves and not to sponge off other people, all of them are doing fine.
Didn't vote in December so can't say too much.
Expecting some unpalatable legislation pushed through later on next year

The sooner Keir Starmer gets Labour organized the better, you do need effective opposition regardless who is in Government.

One thing I disagree with animal is about the Tony Blair years.

Agree. You need constructive opposition in the form of labour ATM. Problem is for the past 10 years the labour opposition has been neither constructive or reasonable. All that have done is argue for argument sake or blames /finger pointed. I hope like many that starmer is the key to bringing balance back to the UK.
That's my point frank. They have done very little for you so you kinda hold a grudge against them and don't trust them.
If Johnson did a lot for you frank and even more for your generation too come, surley you would vote for them!

[animallittle3]

As everyone knows. the universe revolves around Baaaarnsley

Nar we just have an historically more successful football club but other than that Rovrum and Tarn are two peas in a pod .

[animallittle3]

That's my point frank. They have done very little for you so you kinda hold a grudge against them and don't trust them.
If Johnson did a lot for you frank and even more for your generation too come, surley you would vote for them!

You've got a lot of faith in Johnson Cayton ill give you that .

The only PM whose done anything for the working class in office was actually Thatcher , problem with that was half did very well and the other half were sacrificed to fund it .

I'll leave you to guess which half I was .

Working class people generally do well despite the Tories not because of them in my opinion .

You can generally put it down to this in my opinion .

Labour distribute the wealth more evenly but are cr@p at generating it .

The Tories distribute the wealth less well but are better at creating it .

[John2]

John people shouldn’t have to recommend impartial sources to you, as a grown man you should be able to use google

Au contaire. I know how to use Google and find balanced sources.

It's just that Grist likes to keep implying I blindly believe sources that tell me what to think, so I keep laying the gauntlet for him to suggest better sources of news.

He can't have his cake and eat it - if he wants to keep telling me I'm gobbling up a biased media he needs to tell me what sources he thinks are better.

I mean this is obviously all a big pretence, I know full well he will avoid answering because it would humiliate him, just like I did in another post where he's now gone to the trouble of pretending he's ignoring me so he can avoid having to reply to it and messages like this.

I do get a little tickle imaging what shade of vimto his face is going.

[caytonmiller]

I'm not sure it's a case of having faith. It's more hope.
We can't keep bumbling our way through life and hope the country pulls in the same direction.
All my voting life the country has been split down the middle. Both major party's have took turns feking It up then we get new labour and Blair. He had the perfect opportunity to move the country forward and feked it up. Then we had Brexit that split the country even more.
Last year's election has given Johnson the chance to achieve what most of us want. A stable economy where we can earn our money. Contribute towards our share of the costs and build our country back to something to be proud of.

As said it's a massive ask bit it's a easy way out not to try

[caytonmiller]

Au contaire. I know how to use Google and find balanced sources.

It's just that Grist likes to keep implying I blindly believe sources that tell me what to think, so I keep laying the gauntlet for him to suggest better sources of news.

He can't have his cake and eat it - if he wants to keep telling me I'm gobbling up a biased media he needs to tell me what sources he thinks are better.

I mean this is obviously all a big pretence, I know full well he will avoid answering because it would humiliate him, just like I did in another post where he's now gone to the trouble of pretending he's ignoring me so he can avoid having to reply to it and messages like this.

I do get a little tickle imaging what shade of vimto his face is going.

Thanks John. I will translate that to grist for you. I'm sure he will log in to reply ��

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Agree. You need constructive opposition in the form of labour ATM. Problem is for the past 10 years the labour opposition has been neither constructive or reasonable. All that have done is argue for argument sake or blames /finger pointed. I hope like many that starmer is the key to bringing balance back to the UK.
That's my point frank. They have done very little for you so you kinda hold a grudge against them and don't trust them.
If Johnson did a lot for you frank and even more for your generation too come, surley you would vote for them!

No cayton I wouldn't vote Tory if I was better off under them, just won't vote for them and it's nothing to do with grudges or anything to do with trust.
Blair at huge cost just about had the NHS sorted, at least waiting times were acceptable, ( as I say at huge cost ) Everything has to be paid for, the NHS is a big black hole as far as cash is concerned.
Don't mind paying extra tax if I know where the cash down to the last penny is being used.

Edit : financially I'm better off with a Conservative government. .....healthwise I'm better off with a Labour government....which are few and far between.

[caytonmiller]

No cayton I wouldn't vote Tory if I was better off under them, just won't vote for them and it's nothing to do with grudges or anything to do with trust.
Blair at huge cost just about had the NHS sorted, at least waiting times were acceptable, ( as I say at huge cost ) Everything has to be paid for, the NHS is a big black hole as far as cash is concerned.
Don't mind paying extra tax if I know where the cash down to the last penny is being used.

Edit : financially I'm better off with a Conservative government. .....healthwise I'm better off with a Labour government....which are few and far between.

Sorry frank I'm really struggling to understand your stance on not voting for someone who had a track record of delivering everything politically you wanted.
Obv he hasn't yet it is a hypothetical question if he did...
Is it the party you won't vote for or the man?
If it's the party, What would you do (sorry another hypothetical question) if someone like Johnson joined/formed a, let's call them old labour party. Would you vote for them?

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Sorry frank I'm really struggling to understand your stance on not voting for someone who had a track record of delivering everything politically you wanted.
Obv he hasn't yet it is a hypothetical question if he did...
Is it the party you won't vote for or the man?
If it's the party, What would you do (sorry another hypothetical question) if someone like Johnson joined/formed a, let's call them old labour party. Would you vote for them?

The Tories are becoming more like Socialist as every week passes.
Johnson has made a living on other people's back, a renowned liar that's been sacked for lying in the past.
No politicians are worth trusting.

Where do you think the Tories were going to get the cash for 40 more Hospitals? before Covid kicked in.

EDIT : Social Care was well underfunded well before COVID-19

[animallittle3]

I'm not sure it's a case of having faith. It's more hope.
We can't keep bumbling our way through life and hope the country pulls in the same direction.
All my voting life the country has been split down the middle. Both major party's have took turns feking It up then we get new labour and Blair. He had the perfect opportunity to move the country forward and feked it up. Then we had Brexit that split the country even more.
Last year's election has given Johnson the chance to achieve what most of us want. A stable economy where we can earn our money. Contribute towards our share of the costs and build our country back to something to be proud of.

As said it's a massive ask bit it's a easy way out not to try

In an ideal world you'd have it where I'd like it to be Cayton .

The problem is and it's a nemesis for both parties but more so for the Tories .

The Tory Party funders who donate millions of pounds to them to have policies that benefit them .

Low tax , less regulation and none too motivated to chase tax not paid .

You have to factor in that the Tory Party exists to not only protect great wealth but also enhance it .

That's why they absolutely hate inflation so much , inflation kills great wealth .

The trick which to be fair they are remarkably clever at is to get good folks like yourself to vote for them , if you did that is .

I have to admit they are good at it , so good in fact given that 90% of the population aren't so well off by comparison and they win more elections than Labour despite the core fundamentals of why they exist at all .

I ain't knocking it by any means , if you hold great wealth in a massively minority position then it makes sense to protect it from the baying mobs who could take it off you quite easily.

Just my opinion mate .