Quote Originally Posted by Jezleeds View Post
Blimey we're quoting Ben Franklin the slave owner who said all people are created equal, and Switzerland, the place where they serve ***ist Arab men who push in in front of (non-Arab) women already being served', to quote my own experience several times with my wife in Geneva, and where FIFA was allowed grace and favour for decades to corruptly go about it's dubious business.

More to the point made previously about the wonders of Swiss democracy, because of the system of referenda being used for direct decision making, those with vested interest monopolise the choice of referendum. Hence why men in Switzerland didn't vote for a referendum to allow women to vote in elections until 1971.

Hardly a great example of how things should be.

In this country we get the government we deserve, and the one the majority chooses - with all its faults (and there's an argument for a version of proportional representation to allow more voices into government), we're a country that hasn't descended into anarchy ever, and fought alone with the great help of the then Empire nations for 3 years in the world's major war on its behalf against the greatest evil in the history of mankind.

I'm afraid that, for me, the great French contribution to modern history founders on the Vichy regime and the opportunistic and collaborative deportation of hundreds of thousands of Jews and other 'undesirables' from its towns and cities, alongside a strangely comfortable wartime existence for those left behind, on the whole. It's a beautiful place with great food and wine, and some lovely people, but please don't make France any kind of template or guide as to how Britain should be or what we should learn from. Ethnic minority groups in Paris, Marseille and Lille would, i'm sure, have a lot to say about liberty, equality and fraternity in the modern France.

Every country has its good and bad, us very much included. Bashing Britain completely and those who voted to leave the EU as if there is something wrong with them for having a different opinion to yours about the EU doesn't show great socialist principles of tolerance and diversity.


Hiya - many thanks for offering your opinions ............. all noted even 'tho I wasn't addressing you,but hey ho your methodical 'litigating eye' views are appreciated.

Glad to see you practice what you preach with regard to women's rights by sending your Missus to get you a drink at a crowded foreign bar and further expressed personal blanketed opinion on Arab men too - very gracious of you on both counts.

Although you appeared to fudge on 'non born Christian & non born French' comment but obviously one can deduce your answer via your blanket assertion Arab slur.So I take it that'll you be 'against' any possible future PSG owner take over with your Arab & French historical blanket assertions.

No system was/is perfect was the gist of the conversation of I & Spaldy for the record.

Regarding recent politics in Sweden ............ that beautiful land of policy where
Immigration detention and expulsions have increased since the refugee crisis began in 2015, as has time spent in detention. A total of 3,959 persons were detained in 2015, with an average stay of 20.7 days. By 2017, 4,379 were detained for an average of 31.5 days. In January 2016, Interior Minister Anders Ygeman called for the deportation of 80,000 rejected asylum seekers. Although Sweden is far from reaching that goal, returns have increased: 2,448 rejected asylum seekers were removed in the first eight months of 2018 - sounds like 'your' ideal retirement place - just saying like.

Music is an interest we share and Morrisey in Leeds early March this year let his feelings be known about living in Rome & Paris ................ also I've been involved with the Sleaford Mods PR when they've been over in France and their audience (covering all ages) Defo has a problem living in the Uk and France https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Dwg3ef0h8 - so I draw opinion from many perspectives including my work for Sputnik world media which often challenges my own views on occasion.I'm from a council house in Leeds and nothing has changed for my friends back home or their kids today as the Mods singer Jason states via his lyrics ............... he also has a tattoo with Leeds connections on his right forearm - so do you speak for people like him,his family,my old friends back in Leeds or just your own perspective which ultimately you've said on record you want to retire to Sweden, so much for your Rule Brittania synopsis then.

You don't agree with me you've previously stated on this forum & you also stated you wouldn't respond to any of my posts but you still keep on fishing regardless around 'em

Ps Did you get all your change back from your wife for the drink(s) or did she buy 'em?

MOT & in Peace !