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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Covid-19 is a completely new disease which was not reported to WHO until December 30th. With that being the case, I think it completely fair to cut the UK government some slack. The science of the illness and the dynamics of its spread are still being researched and debated - even the mortality rate is uncertain. Coupled with that, it is clear that the virus has mutated several times, including becoming better able to spread and to be more stealthy (with people becoming infectious before they become symptomatic), which means that the maths that sits under governmental responses has also changed over time.

    Iím sure that the governmentís actions will be scrutinised for years at the end of this (as they should be). When we know what their advisers were telling them and can see the details of the decision making, we will be able to assess their performance from an informed position. Trying to do it now helps nobody and risks making unfair judgements. If the eventual conclusion is that 'they did their best' then surely we could ask for no more?
    Track and trace isn't a medical procedure though it's purely a management tool to monitor the movements of people and therefore any illness they might have. It's fairly simple to set up too in so much as all you need is some resource and a decent communication system. I t would have been within the capabilities of the uk to divert some of the vastly oversubscribed NHS responders to this task and asked the comms companies to react quickly.

    Track and trace could be applied to a range of virus, diseases Etc as it,s merely a way of knowing where a medical issue is and where it's spreading so I don't think the govt could use the excuse that they didn't know what they were dealing with. It's a bit of a red herring.

    With Singapore being a Commonwealth country it should have been a fairly easy to ask for advice on how they dealt with previous pandemics and they would have been more forthcoming than asking China. It's a simple management technique to follow best practice where others have already got some of the answers

    I'm not Govt bashing here as they've done some faulous things such as setting up the temporary hospitals but I really think they missed a trick.

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    If NHS Test and Trace calls you by phone, the service will be using a single phone number 0300 0135 000. The only website the service will ask you to visit is https://contact-tracing.phe.gov.uk.

    Contact tracers will never:

    • Ask you to dial a premium rate number to speak to us (for example, those starting 09 or 087)
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    Share this information with family and friends, protect yourself and others.

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    These guidelines have become totally ridiculous now, they're treating us all like children, just let people use common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    These guidelines have become totally ridiculous now, they're treating us all like children, just let people use common sense.
    Do you honestly believe that all of the population has common sense?

    Your statement kind of proves they don't.

    Not to mention the vulnerable non-tech elderly that this sort of guidance probably helps the most. Weird thing to get a bee in your bonnet about.

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    [QUOTE=KerrAvon;39503050
    Iím sure that the governmentís actions will be scrutinised for years at the end of this (as they should be). When we know what their advisers were telling them and can see the details of the decision making, we will be able to assess their performance from an informed position. Trying to do it now helps nobody and risks making unfair judgements. If the eventual conclusion is that 'they did their best' then surely we could ask for no more?[/QUOTE]


    Do you seriously believe that Kerr?
    Sounds very Johnsonesque, you know "let's move on" [my word another three word mantra]
    If allowed to move on it will become another Prince Andrew [remember his indiscretions?] or Hillsborough, or so on & so on & you're already hinting at the eventual conclusion that "they did their best"

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    Quote Originally Posted by John2 View Post
    Do you honestly believe that all of the population has common sense?

    Your statement kind of proves they don't.

    Not to mention the vulnerable non-tech elderly that this sort of guidance probably helps the most. Weird thing to get a bee in your bonnet about.
    People without common sense will find these complicated guidelines harder to follow than anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    People without common sense will find these complicated guidelines harder to follow than anyone.
    The most common sense thing to do if in any doubt is give Dom a ring

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    When you aim to bury inconvenient news by trying to convince the public that you have ready to go a "world leading" track and trace system, here's what happens behind the scenes:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itain-lockdown

    https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-c...20-5?r=US&IR=T

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pp-survey.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    When you aim to bury inconvenient news by trying to convince the public that you have ready to go a "world leading" track and trace system, here's what happens behind the scenes:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itain-lockdown

    https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-c...20-5?r=US&IR=T

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pp-survey.html
    Not to worry the Gov't has done what it usually does & that is to hand out lucrative contracts to Sitel for instance to undertake the recruitment & training of track & tracers at £10 per hour
    Blind leading the blind is very apt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiletyke View Post
    Not to worry the Gov't has done what it usually does & that is to hand out lucrative contracts to Sitel for instance to undertake the recruitment & training of track & tracers at £10 per hour
    Blind leading the blind is very apt
    Whatever happened with that contract the Gov handed out to your former Chairman?

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