O/T When the police go away, crime goes away.

[KerrAvon]

Ok, if you accept that I do in fact work in an inner London college, which is made up of 80% black students and approx 40% black workforce why do you think that I am making up incidents or accounts of my discussions with my colleagues and students, and referring to these in discussions that affect their lives? What kind of imaginary situations do you think that I am making up? Don't you think it likely that in inner London you are likely also to have workers Muslim workers and that I am likely (as a senior manager who directs many of them) that I am likely to discuss their experiences also? What exactly am I making up do you think? Be specific

Personally, I think wendun is concerned about the wrong thing. I'm more concerned that you do have contact with kids. Based upon some of your recent posts, I fear that any black kid telling you that he is doing ok and is happy with his lot will be quickly told that he doesn't understand the complexities of being black in the UK like you do and that he is actually suffering from a psychosis induced by the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

You are spouting nonsense. I can only repeat I have never questioned your existence as a teacher in London. I do, however, believe that you are making up all these conveniently supportive incidents with students and staff. Like John2 who has an inexhaustible supply of friends in all walks of life (which for a guy who only skis and speculates in ******* is good going) you have an inexhaustible supply of transgender, BAME, Muslim, asylum seeking, ex-slaves in your life who all pop up to support your opinions.
You are also conflating BLM support with left-wing. BLM is an opportunistic outfit supported by a bunch of white hypocrites who spout liberal views while securing every possible advantage for themselves and their children.

John2's list of friends and associates has no end.

It's also lacking a beginning

[ragingpup]

Personally, I think wendun is concerned about the wrong thing. I'm more concerned that you do have contact with kids. Based upon some of your recent posts, I fear that any black kid telling you that he is doing ok and is happy with his lot will be quickly told that he doesn't understand the complexities of being black in the UK like you do and that he is actually suffering from a psychosis induced by the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Which recent posts are you referring to Kerr? Please give evidence for this.

We set and hold our students to the highest standards of behaviour at my college and accept no excuses for poor conduct. That's a whole different thing to trying to understand the social and cultural context of how poverty affects any place and how that, wherever you are in the globe, Black, white or anything inbetween, the same patterns of behaviour are seen in poverty hit places,be it crime, marital and family breakdown etc.

But that's not what you discuss with the kids. Of course it isn't! They're kids. And we expect nothing but the best from them, and that's what we get.

[CAMiller]

The world is out of whack! Last night a rookie police officer performing a routine traffic stop was shot and killed in the city adjacent to the one where I live. His partner, a veteran was also shot but survived. It's the first officer shooting fatality in the history of this small city about 15 miles outside Seattle. Naturally it's been on the news today but on the main local evening news it's not even the top story. The officer was white. I'll leave you to guess the race of the shooter and whether we'll see mass marching and looting as a result.

[wendun]

The world is out of whack! Last night a rookie police officer performing a routine traffic stop was shot and killed in the city adjacent to the one where I live. His partner, a veteran was also shot but survived. It's the first officer shooting fatality in the history of this small city about 15 miles outside Seattle. Naturally it's been on the news today but on the main local evening news it's not even the top story. The officer was white. I'll leave you to guess the race of the shooter and whether we'll see mass marching and looting as a result.

Cam, mon ami, the statue of Colston in Bristol has been replaced with one of a black woman giving a Black Power salute and the snivelling Liberal Left are lining it up to praise it, express their regret at ever attending the Colston Hall and demanding as Bristol Poetess Ms Kisuule
says that it be renamed with something more appropriate. I can guess what that will be: Mandela or Lawrence.

[wendun]

Personally, I think wendun is concerned about the wrong thing.

I'm not quite sure exactly what I was concerned about. It doesn't really bother me that raging uses a debating technique well known in hard left circles.
I worked at various levels for the government in London and elsewhere. Oddly we tended mainly to discuss work. Had I asked members of staff what they felt about Brexit, BLM, transgender issues, racism, slavery, statues etc, etc, I suspect they would have told me I was being intrusive. Raging, oddly for a socialist (or not) seems to have a distinctly paternal and patronising attitude to his staff and reminds me of nothing so much as the good and kindly type of slave owner who was adored by his Uncle Toms as immortalised in the works of Beecher Stowe and others.
On a separate point I find it depressing that in a college in our once great capital 80% of the students are black. An example of white flight I suppose.

[CAMiller]

Cam, mon ami, the statue of Colston in Bristol has been replaced with one of a black woman giving a Black Power salute and the snivelling Liberal Left are lining it up to praise it, express their regret at ever attending the Colston Hall and demanding as Bristol Poetess Ms Kisuule
says that it be renamed with something more appropriate. I can guess what that will be: Mandela or Lawrence.

Yes, that statue story has even made the local news here this morning. On the other hand, despite extensive coverage of the police killing still no mention of the killer's race yet.

[ragingpup]

I'm not quite sure exactly what I was concerned about. It doesn't really bother me that raging uses a debating technique well known in hard left circles.
I worked at various levels for the government in London and elsewhere. Oddly we tended mainly to discuss work. Had I asked members of staff what they felt about Brexit, BLM, transgender issues, racism, slavery, statues etc, etc, I suspect they would have told me I was being intrusive. Raging, oddly for a socialist (or not) seems to have a distinctly paternal and patronising attitude to his staff and reminds me of nothing so much as the good and kindly type of slave owner who was adored by his Uncle Toms as immortalised in the works of Beecher Stowe and others.
On a separate point I find it depressing that in a college in our once great capital 80% of the students are black. An example of white flight I suppose.

1. So an ability to listen to an opposite argument, show empathy, acknowledge the merits of the opposite argument, and not assume that you are right is a "hard left" debating technique? Where did you get that from? Can you reference it anywhere? It seems to me that these are simply the way that you exchange opinion without being an arsehole?

2. Your government workers and yourself may have simply talked shop, but why? It must have been so boring!I understand that you need to know and trust people to an extent to reveal your opinions on politics, but you spend so much time with the people you work with. You might call it paternal and patronising to consult your staff about how our organisation is run, but I think it's how it should be done. As good as I thought and hoped we were on being an inclusive employer, it was an eye opener to invite all our staff to give us their opinions on what we can do better and be told that in the opinion of some, there are some pockets in our college that are considered 'white only' in the staff teams. I'm not seeing I uncritically agree with them, but they have given us great feedback (from BAME and white staff who were also very vociferous on this) on how we can be better. And as a result, we have a very small turnover of key teacher and support staff in an area that is renowned for high turnover. Plus I'm sure our white teachers would be interested in your thoughts that I am being patronising slave owner to them?!

3. I'm not a socialist. As I've said in previous posts I'd chuck the term from Labour Party use. Not very popular view among many but I feel it does the left more damage than good on balance. But you simply are doing what you accuse the left of doing, making generalised assumptions and attacking over it.

4. I'm interested in why you think that it is depressing that in "our once great capital", 80% of the students are black? Can you just talk me through why you think that? What % of black learners will you tolerate in order for it not to depress you?

* "I find it depressing that in a college in our once great capital 80% of the students are black" I wonder how a black Millers fan might feel when they read this statement by the way? We all happy with this?

[wendun]

1. I wonder how a black Millers fan might feel when they read this statement by the way? We all happy with this?

Personally, I don't care. I also don't care if you're "happy" with this. I have lived in areas with black people. I remember their complete disregard for other people. On Tavistock Crescent our councillor (Asian btw) used to phone the police every weekend because black youths were keeping everybody awake all night. Now I don't give a flying f*ck if you believe this or not but the police used to ask if the troublemakers were black and when we said yes they wouldn't even come out. I have never experienced the animosity against blacks and BAME that I see now up here. This won't end as you want it to end. If you think we're going to erect statues of stupid women doing Black Power salutes think again.

[rileyev.the.third]

I wonder if a 50% cut in the police antiterrorist budget would cause much of a change?

Well they wont be able to afford Bernard Manning for the Christmas p1ss up for starters.