Should he stay or should he go?

[ForeignLegion]

Mate, you are tedious.....buger off over the river and complain.

[Davy500]

why should i - don,t like to hear the truth do you?

[optipez]

I am intrigued now how does Ardley take credit say for example beating Barrow, when the reason for the win had nothing to do with what Ardley did, ie them being in complete control , missing a penelty, hit post, and a man sent off- all Ardleys brilliant managers tactics ??
Do you know before Quigeley was sent off, Notts had not even had one attack on the Barrow goal
And your giving credit to Ardley for the win - unbelievable

Davy, in the last 50 years we've had 7 promotions.
Jimmy Sirrel 2. Club legend
Howard Wilkinson 1. Still last Englishman to win the football league, managed England.
Neil Warnock 2. Winner of 8 promotions, a record.
Sam Allardyce 1. Went on to manage England, numerous promotions, managed at least 6 Premier league teams off the top of my head.
Sven / McP / Cotterill and a huge budget. 1. We won promotion with an ex England manager, successful and experienced Cotterill and McParland who did his bit in assembling and coaching a ridiculously good squad.

You may not rate Ardley but we've managed seven successful seasons in fifty and it's taken three England managers, club legend and a promotion getting record holder to do it.
Getting Notts up is hard, we're continually poor, we've just had a pretty good season with real hope for the next one and beyond sacking the manager you don't seem to have any idea of how to take us forwards. Sackings aren't forward steps by the way, they're a last resort in most businesses when things have gone very wrong.
Ardley has a promotion on his CV along with losing play-off finalist, if we got rid there's a fair chance we'd recruit a manager with less success.

As it goes I was at Barrow, Harrogate and Solihull and his selections and tactics worked. We weren't favourites for any of those games and took 9 points. That's a lot of luck.

[Davy500]

Davy, in the last 50 years we've had 7 promotions.
Jimmy Sirrel 2. Club legend
Howard Wilkinson 1. Still last Englishman to win the football league, managed England.
Neil Warnock 2. Winner of 8 promotions, a record.
Sam Allardyce 1. Went on to manage England, numerous promotions, managed at least 6 Premier league teams off the top of my head.
Sven / McP / Cotterill and a huge budget. 1. We won promotion with an ex England manager, successful and experienced Cotterill and McParland who did his bit in assembling and coaching a ridiculously good squad.

You may not rate Ardley but we've managed seven successful seasons in fifty and it's taken three England managers, club legend and a promotion getting record holder to do it.
Getting Notts up is hard, we're continually poor, we've just had a pretty good season with real hope for the next one and beyond sacking the manager you don't seem to have any idea of how to take us forwards. Sackings aren't forward steps by the way, they're a last resort in most businesses when things have gone very wrong.
Ardley has a promotion on his CV along with losing play-off finalist, if we got rid there's a fair chance we'd recruit a manager with less success.

As it goes I was at Barrow, Harrogate and Solihull and his selections and tactics worked. We weren't favourites for any of those games and took 9 points. That's a lot of luck.

Yeah i agree with the first part of your post. I think the problem is down to notts couny being a lot more successful in the past than they have been in recent years.,just so glad i saw notts in the 2 top divisions.
The game was a little different back in the 80,s not controlled by mega money that it is today

Since then i think the only time we have done anything is it when it co-insides with chairman having money
Neil Warnock, and sam allardyce backed by Derek Pavis who certainly had financial clout
Sven/ Co and cotteril backed by money again


Your right i do not rate Ardley, he has given us no reason to do so. At this moment in time all he has done is releagte us, and failed with a good squad to gain promotion
How could we have done worse this season with another manager, barring relegation from the national league. The reality is that most pro Ardley supporters will not accept is, we could have done better. As somebody has said i think Luke Gerrard would be a good call, done well at Boreham wood , a club with limited resources
We need to recruit a young ambitious manager. Were not both Warnock and Alladyce starting of when they were mangers at notts

As for Barrow and Harragate, you can not deny , the circumstances that lead to the notts win were fortunate in they missed a bag full of chances, and had a man sent off,notts only taking controll after that, nothing to do with Ardley,s selection or tactics . 11 v 11 i do not think notts would have won either game.

Anyway its all history, i just hope Notts County and Ardley do well this season , but being notts county fans we should be used to dissapointment.

[Davy500]

On another note some of Notts County,s previous mangers that should have never been sacked

Neil Warnock, Mick Walker ( Championship) Keith Curle,Paul Ince, martin allen,shawn derry ( league 1 ), ricardo moniz, and of course Kevin Nolan, ( League 2 )
All arguably better than the current incumbent

[Davy500]

Well you managed a post without mentioning how wonderful Nolan is.

Could of, could have ...... guarantees nothing.

I am happier to have owners and a manager with good ethos than I ever was with Martin Allen, no matter what league we are in.

I do think though promotion is almost a must this season. I say almost as another play-off final, where we lose by a dodgy ref decision would be acceptable.

Alan Hardy recent interview

When appointing managers, should you have gone for Football League specialists rather than up-and-coming big names?

I don’t regret appointing Kevin Nolan in the slightest. He did a fantastic job when we entered the club together. Remember they were bottom of the league and on a club record run of 10 straight consecutive defeats. The missing piece was an experienced director of football to work alongside him. Darren Fletcher sort of stepped into that role as vice chairman, but for lots of reasons it wasn’t successful. I do regret not giving Kevin more time, and that was down to pure inexperience of football club management and influence from others.

[Davy500]

Davy, in the last 50 years we've had 7 promotions.
Jimmy Sirrel 2. Club legend
Howard Wilkinson 1. Still last Englishman to win the football league, managed England.
Neil Warnock 2. Winner of 8 promotions, a record.
Sam Allardyce 1. Went on to manage England, numerous promotions, managed at least 6 Premier league teams off the top of my head.
Sven / McP / Cotterill and a huge budget. 1. We won promotion with an ex England manager, successful and experienced Cotterill and McParland who did his bit in assembling and coaching a ridiculously good squad.

You may not rate Ardley but we've managed seven successful seasons in fifty and it's taken three England managers, club legend and a promotion getting record holder to do it.
Getting Notts up is hard, we're continually poor, we've just had a pretty good season with real hope for the next one and beyond sacking the manager you don't seem to have any idea of how to take us forwards. Sackings aren't forward steps by the way, they're a last resort in most businesses when things have gone very wrong.
Ardley has a promotion on his CV along with losing play-off finalist, if we got rid there's a fair chance we'd recruit a manager with less success.

As it goes I was at Barrow, Harrogate and Solihull and his selections and tactics worked. We weren't favourites for any of those games and took 9 points. That's a lot of luck.

But the question has to be asked how long clubs can survive when living beyond their means: in the past decade, a quarter of EFL clubs have faced liquidation. Rory Smith, former FourFourTwo contributor turned chief soccer correspondent for the New York Times, this week dared to wonder whether perhaps 92 professional clubs, plus a dozen or so in non-league, was too many for the country to support.

Some reacted with shock, but with all due respect to Rory, this was far from a new suggestion. Back in the 1960s, Brentford chairman Jack Dunnett discussed a merger with QPR’s Jim Gregory. Nothing came of that and Dunnett was chased out of town but took over at Notts County and spent much of the 1980s as Football League president, and his opinion hadn’t changed: that failing clubs should be allowed to die, that via the calculatedly inoffensive euphemism of “natural wastage” the League would slim down to 90, 80 or maybe even 70 clubs – and that this would in no way be a bad thing.

[i961pie]

But the question has to be asked how long clubs can survive when living beyond their means: in the past decade, a quarter of EFL clubs have faced liquidation. Rory Smith, former FourFourTwo contributor turned chief soccer correspondent for the New York Times, this week dared to wonder whether perhaps 92 professional clubs, plus a dozen or so in non-league, was too many for the country to support.

Some reacted with shock, but with all due respect to Rory, this was far from a new suggestion. Back in the 1960s, Brentford chairman Jack Dunnett discussed a merger with QPR’s Jim Gregory. Nothing came of that and Dunnett was chased out of town but took over at Notts County and spent much of the 1980s as Football League president, and his opinion hadn’t changed: that failing clubs should be allowed to die, that via the calculatedly inoffensive euphemism of “natural wastage” the League would slim down to 90, 80 or maybe even 70 clubs – and that this would in no way be a bad thing.

Unless you are a supporter of one of those clubs that are allowed to die.