O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Ram59]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39680803]

Fair point Ram. I did overlook the website factor. Much like school days...I was probably talking at the back and not paying attention.

Having said that my point remains. In the same way as you regularly attack anything that is remotely pro EU you also like to have a go at the BBC and attack anything that is at all critical of the Government.

For the record, I 100% share your hopes as regards the vaccine and I will joyfully concede that so far they would appear to be surpassing expectation.

In the interests of what Andy would call ‘balance’ and on the direct subject of your thread, this has to be set aside our dreadful position in the Covid ‘league tables’, the doubts about the efficacy of the vaccine if the second dose is delayed for too long and the shambolic reaction to the emergence of the ‘British variant’.
Please remember this variant was identified and had taken hold before mid December. No statement was made about it until the 19th December when it was described as more transmissible but no more serious than the original Wuhan strain.
Despite the misgivings of all professionals Messrs Johnson and Williamson were still insistent that all schools should open as planned at the beginning of January. It was only the night before that they accepted such a move would be unwise and unsafe and it was only yesterday that the PM conceded that actually it would seem the British and South African strains/variants are likely to have more serious consequences.

So...in direct response to the thread...well done (hopefully) on the vaccines. Heads should roll elsewhere.

I accept your apology, if that what is was. I also plead guilty to giving the government support when they are continually subject to unnecessary criticism. God knows, they've done enough wrong to be critical of, without the constant haranguing of ministers. It's just a pity that these weak minded ministers are too pathetic and not strong enough to answer back, maybe they should get Farage to give them some lessons. Agree with him or not, he can look after himself in an interview.

Let's examine the vaccination programme, atm, it seems to be going well, possibly too well. The ramping up of vaccinations is unlikely to be sustained because vaccine production will not be able to keep pace. This will result in the spectacle of fully manned vaccination centres standing idle at some time in the future. But, what does the government do, hold back vaccinations to smooth out the vaccination programme, resulting in unnecessary deaths of people in a months time who have been prevented from having a vaccine today? Or do they go ahead and run the risk of running out of vaccine and wasting time and facilities?

It's Hobson's choice, the chances are the government will get criticised which ever decision they make.

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=Ram59;39681058]

I accept your apology, if that what is was. I also plead guilty to giving the government support when they are continually subject to unnecessary criticism. God knows, they've done enough wrong to be critical of, without the constant haranguing of ministers. It's just a pity that these weak minded ministers are too pathetic and not strong enough to answer back, maybe they should get Farage to give them some lessons. Agree with him or not, he can look after himself in an interview.

Let's examine the vaccination programme, atm, it seems to be going well, possibly too well. The ramping up of vaccinations is unlikely to be sustained because vaccine production will not be able to keep pace. This will result in the spectacle of fully manned vaccination centres standing idle at some time in the future. But, what does the government do, hold back vaccinations to smooth out the vaccination programme, resulting in unnecessary deaths of people in a months time who have been prevented from having a vaccine today? Or do they go ahead and run the risk of running out of vaccine and wasting time and facilities?

It's Hobson's choice, the chances are the government will get criticised which ever decision they make.

Not by me or anyone with any sense Ram, vaccine production is out of HMGs control, the means to distribute and inject isnt, the feeling I get from listening to countless medical professionals is that they will pump it in as quickly as they can get it.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Ram59;39681058]

It's just a pity that these weak minded ministers are too pathetic and not strong enough to answer back, maybe they should get Farage to give them some lessons. Agree with him or not, he can look after himself in an interview.


It's Hobson's choice, the chances are the government will get criticised which ever decision they make.

Lessons from Farage. Really? How have things worked out for him so far? He may be able to ‘look after himself in an interview’, usually via the use of lies, divisiveness and blatant appeals to populism...not so good with elections though is he?
To use a football analogy his record to date appears to be...P7 W0 D0 L7.

If the Government makes the right decision and stops making repeated ‘U’ turns they may find they earn a great deal less criticism.

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39681164]

Lessons from Farage. Really? How have things worked out for him so far? He may be able to ‘look after himself in an interview’, usually via the use of lies, divisiveness and blatant appeals to populism...not so good with elections though is he?
To use a football analogy his record to date appears to be...P7 W0 D0 L7.

If the Government makes the right decision and stops making repeated ‘U’ turns they may find they earn a great deal less criticism.

I know you bang on about his election defeats rA but he won the one that mattered, and much as it may hurt most of his influence is through sheer force of personality, both major parties would kill for someone who connects with the people like NF does. Not saying I even like him, just observing.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Those that constantly criticise usually do so because they fear the person is correct and seek to minimise their impact.

[ramAnag]

Those that constantly criticise usually do so because they fear the person is correct and seek to minimise their impact.

Lol...is that what you and Corbyn was all about?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yes, very much so

[ramAnag]

Yes, very much so

You were afraid Corbyn was ‘correct’. Really? Perhaps you fear Swale ‘is correct’ too.

Surely we criticise those we do because we believe they are wrong or inept. That’s certainly the case for me as far as the likes of Farage, Williamson, Johnson and Trump are concerned.

I may ‘fear’ the impact of populists such as Farage and Trump on the World, as I might ‘fear’ the impact of Johnson’s indecisiveness and Williamson's half baked policies on schools, teachers and young people...but such ‘fear’ has never ever arisen from the thought that they might be ‘correct’.

[ramAnag]

P.S. Andy...Farage and UKIP may have been the initial driving force behind Brexit but he didn’t win ‘the one that mattered’ did he? Indeed, at the height of his popularity - and on ‘home’ territory too - he still couldn’t get close to being elected as an MP.

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;39681183]

I know you bang on about his election defeats rA but he won the one that mattered, and much as it may hurt most of his influence is through sheer force of personality, both major parties would kill for someone who connects with the people like NF does. Not saying I even like him, just observing.

I see your acquaintance with the truth is as shaky as ever. Farage didn't actually win any election and he certainly didn't "win" the referendum, the leave side did that and although Farage was a catalyst, HE certainly didn't win it. In fact if any one person can be described as winning the leave debate, that person has to be Johnson, as it is unlikely though not impossible that the vote would have been leave without his backing and prominent leading of the leave campaign and all that whilst not really believing in the cause he was fighting for, remarkable really!

Mind you the Uk is paying the price now and will be for the foreseeable future, unless one is a "blind" Brexiteer of course, then everything is rosy!