O/T:- Is this the worst PM since the war?

[sidders]

Watching Boris at PMQ yesterday was dumbfounding. He was absolutely hopeless. His public speaking style is a parody of his hero, Winston Churchill. Starmer absolutely crucified him even though Boris failed to answer a single one of his questions and told at least 3 serious lies. On 3 occasions, the Speaker had to interrupt him for his poor behaviour.
The thing is he must have felt secure in his position as PM because there was simply no one else. However, with the rise of Rishi Sunak, the Tories have possibly the most promising politician in the house. He's young and inexperienced but comes over as a decent human being.
I give you a brilliant summing up by John Crace, the Grauniad's political diarist.

The meltdown precipitated by Starmer continued for the rest of PMQs. Boris seemed to have no idea there were a huge number of industries such as aviation, tourism and hospitality that weren’t going to return to normal anytime soon.

Nor did he know that Matt Hancock had just extended some local lockdowns at the very moment he was saying more people should be going back to work. One day, it might occur to Boris that some companies might not want to take a punt on their employees’ health by forcing them back before the workplace is properly secure. But today wasn’t that day.

Rather, it was the day for Boris’s carers to try to get him out the Commons before he did any more damage to either the country or the Tory party.

It was also a day for those watching PMQs to ask themselves what they had done to deserve a leader who is visibly falling apart week on week. There was never anything very clever about Boris: now there isn’t even anything funny. Of all the coronavirus joints, in all the towns in the world, he walks into ours.

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[Elite_Pie]

He is only Prime Minister for two reasons:

1. He had no credible opposition.
2. He shook his fist and said "let's get Brexit done" a lot.

He just doesn't know what to do, and the Covid-19 crisis has shown him up for exactly what he is - hopelessly incompetent.

[seriouspie]

He is only Prime Minister for two reasons:

1. He had no credible opposition.
2. He shook his fist and said "let's get Brexit done" a lot.

He just doesn't know what to do, and the Covid-19 crisis has shown him up for exactly what he is - hopelessly incompetent.

1. Correct ..... Good owd Jeremy Lenin ... the best propaganda machine the Tories have ever had.

2. Correct ...... which gave him an unassailable majority .

Do you think Captain Boring and his band of front bench rabble will ever get into power .... I don't. Four more years is a long long time in politics and many of Boris's present clangers will be long forgotten when the next GE arrives. What matters to all countries EP is the state of their economy and there's only the Tories who will make ours recover, which it will .... and not by overtaxing the wealthy unduly. We will see what Rishi has to say in his forthcoming fiscal plan.

You may call the far right but Jesus Christ, the far left minority are causing chaos the world over and the right are deciding enough is enough. We've had enough of LW bilge and softness, the goons from Extinction Rebellion causing chaos and many more PC groups. I believe next year will see many loopholes closed in the law to counter this chaos. Whilst you, Sid and a few on here, are more than entitled to your LW views, I've enough confidence in our government to make things happen for the better ....... something I don't think any Socialist government would achieve. I may be wrong .... we will wait and see.

[frenchmagpie]

1. Correct ..... Good owd Jeremy Lenin ... the best propaganda machine the Tories have ever had.

2. Correct ...... which gave him an unassailable majority .

Do you think Captain Boring and his band of front bench rabble will ever get into power .... I don't. Four more years is a long long time in politics and many of Boris's present clangers will be long forgotten when the next GE arrives. What matters to all countries EP is the state of their economy and there's only the Tories who will make ours recover, which it will .... and not by overtaxing the wealthy unduly. We will see what Rishi has to say in his forthcoming fiscal plan.

You may call the far right but Jesus Christ, the far left minority are causing chaos the world over and the right are deciding enough is enough. We've had enough of LW bilge and softness, the goons from Extinction Rebellion causing chaos and many more PC groups. I believe next year will see many loopholes closed in the law to counter this chaos. Whilst you, Sid and a few on here, are more than entitled to your LW views, I've enough confidence in our government to make things happen for the better ....... something I don't think any Socialist government would achieve. I may be wrong .... we will wait and see.

Christ ! I look at our youngsters protesting against the continuance of this bilge and the average life statistics and I have hope. The world can be different and we don't have to look at the Philip Green's of this world floating about on their yachts. You old farts have been conned into believing the economy and continuous growth is important and the more senile you get the more you have to keep convincing yourselves it's true because you will look back at your subservient lives and realise what a waste it was.

[countygump]

Extinction rebellion doing their bit.

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1301546438380445698

[seriouspie]

Christ ! I look at our youngsters protesting against the continuance of this bilge and the average life statistics and I have hope. The world can be different and we don't have to look at the Philip Green's of this world floating about on their yachts. You old farts have been conned into believing the economy and continuous growth is important and the more senile you get the more you have to keep convincing yourselves it's true because you will look back at your subservient lives and realise what a waste it was.

Same old Socialistic ideology. Too boring to answer although I'm delighted with my own later life I would add and wouldn't have changed my earlier life one bit. Senility? not in my case thankfully but shows your character as one without respect for the older generation. Talking about the young. I also look at the young and apart from a small minority I see them getting on with life and solving their own problems without a thought of joining a protest.

[BigFatPie]

1. Correct ..... Good owd Jeremy Lenin ... the best propaganda machine the Tories have ever had.

2. Correct ...... which gave him an unassailable majority .

Do you think Captain Boring and his band of front bench rabble will ever get into power .... I don't. Four more years is a long long time in politics and many of Boris's present clangers will be long forgotten when the next GE arrives. What matters to all countries EP is the state of their economy and there's only the Tories who will make ours recover, which it will .... and not by overtaxing the wealthy unduly. We will see what Rishi has to say in his forthcoming fiscal plan.

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I’m genuinely interested in a chap like you who’s always banging on about how much he admires ‘self-made’ men can square the circle of Starmer and Johnson? One has come from a relatively humble background to get himself to Oxford, become a barrister, then a QC, then be given one of the top legal jobs in the country. Then he turns his hand to politics, becomes an MP, then LOTO, and now he’s turned the polls almost completely around.

The other has had everything handed to him on a plate, but has been sacked twice for lying to his boss, been unfaithful to his wife, and has an unknown number of children. How does your self-proclaimed ‘go for it’ mentality cope with supporting the latter of those two people?

[seriouspie]

I’m genuinely interested in a chap like you who’s always banging on about how much he admires ‘self-made’ men can square the circle of Starmer and Johnson? One has come from a relatively humble background to get himself to Oxford, become a barrister, then a QC, then be given one of the top legal jobs in the country. Then he turns his hand to politics, becomes an MP, then LOTO, and now he’s turned the polls almost completely around.

The other has had everything handed to him on a plate, but has been sacked twice for lying to his boss, been unfaithful to his wife, and has an unknown number of children. How does your self-proclaimed ‘go for it’ mentality cope with supporting the latter of those two people?

Hi Fatman hows your life at the moment ? - mine's good and secure.

Admittedly your Captain Boring is doing a decent job but he's not had to make any decisions has he? He did a good job in sacking Long-Bailey and I do hope he continues to bring back proper Labour and get rid of the far left imbeciles. Boris is having a horror show at the minute and deserves to be criticised but I have a strong feeling (as posted before) all things will be forgotten when the plague becomes manageable and we're finally out of the EU and can get on as an independent country. We differ on this but only time will tell.

Tell you what. I'm pretty confident I'll collect £20 from Sid when Donald gets re elected in November so let us have a bet. One has to allow time to pass in such matters but I'll bet you £20 that in the 2nd quarter of 2021 our economy will be back on the up and Boris will have established his lead over Captain Wooden. Don't try and get me on the old 'Silver spoon in mouth' quote, it's the way of the world and always has been, you are back to the politics of envy. What say you fella? Sorry I forgot and had to edit. Because Boris has had his leg over a few times and a few birds ..... so what and who cares. His kids will not go short of the best things in life whoever their mother is. Not a topic in my opinion and nothing compared to the Rotherham grooming gangs and the lives they have ruined.

[BigFatPie]

Hi Fatman hows your life at the moment ? - mine's good and secure.

Admittedly your Captain Boring is doing a decent job but he's not had to make any decisions has he? He did a good job in sacking Long-Bailey and I do hope he continues to bring back proper Labour and get rid of the far left imbeciles. Boris is having a horror show at the minute and deserves to be criticised but I have a strong feeling (as posted before) all things will be forgotten when the plague becomes manageable and we're finally out of the EU and can get on as an independent country. We differ on this but only time will tell.

Your grudging praise for Starmer answered my question for me. Many of the Tory supporters I knock about with claim like you to be big fans of self improvement and people ‘battling against the odds’ to get somewhere in life. Like you, I suspect their support for both Johnson and Trump tends to suggest that actually they like the status quo more than anything else, and have a deep-rooted, maybe even subconscious deference to inherited wealth and privilege and those who want to keep it.

As for your offer, you’ll have to give me more details. The economy is in the toilet at the moment, so obviously it’ll be better sometime in 2021. Your mate Johnson is about to bend over and take it fully from the EU so we may well have to see how that pans out. Badly, I suspect.

[MagpieMike]

Watching Boris at PMQ yesterday was dumbfounding. He was absolutely hopeless. His public speaking style is a parody of his hero, Winston Churchill. Starmer absolutely crucified him even though Boris failed to answer a single one of his questions and told at least 3 serious lies. On 3 occasions, the Speaker had to interrupt him for his poor behaviour.
The thing is he must have felt secure in his position as PM because there was simply no one else. However, with the rise of Rishi Sunak, the Tories have possibly the most promising politician in the house. He's young and inexperienced but comes over as a decent human being.
I give you a brilliant summing up by John Crace, the Grauniad's political diarist.

The meltdown precipitated by Starmer continued for the rest of PMQs. Boris seemed to have no idea there were a huge number of industries such as aviation, tourism and hospitality that weren’t going to return to normal anytime soon.

Nor did he know that Matt Hancock had just extended some local lockdowns at the very moment he was saying more people should be going back to work. One day, it might occur to Boris that some companies might not want to take a punt on their employees’ health by forcing them back before the workplace is properly secure. But today wasn’t that day.

Rather, it was the day for Boris’s carers to try to get him out the Commons before he did any more damage to either the country or the Tory party.

It was also a day for those watching PMQs to ask themselves what they had done to deserve a leader who is visibly falling apart week on week. There was never anything very clever about Boris: now there isn’t even anything funny. Of all the coronavirus joints, in all the towns in the world, he walks into ours.

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I'll take the bait . My initial reaction was that the bar is quite low, so "worst since the war" is hard to justify. However, I'm really puzzled by his approach to leadership since the election. I know coronavirus is the biggest crisis a UK government has had to deal with since the war, but with his huge majority Boris should be able to lead Thatcher style (I hate both him and her, so bear with me). What I mean is that he has such a massive mandate, he can basically do whatever he wants. If you contrast him with the first Blair Government with a similarly huge majority. Blair hit the ground running, had clear objectives, and got on with the job. Boris doesn't seem to have any clear ideas, or action plan for putting them into practice. I don't really know what he stands for other than Brexit. What successive Tory leaders have got from Blair is trying to control sound bites, and the media. The difference is that Blair had some substance, and Boris, like May and Cameron before him, doesn't seem to have any. What did Blair stand for: NHS and education, education, education. What does Boris stand for? I don't really know. I don't even know what he wants to achieve with Brexit. Its clear we'll be out of transition in January (I think). But I dont really know what he wants after that.