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Thread: Leeds United - v - Hull City ** Carabao Cup ***Matchday Thread***

  1. #111
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    Kevin Phillips (not Kalvin, thankfully), speaking about the 'goalkeeper' today:

    “Everyone deserves a second chance, depending on what you’ve done, he’s held his hands up and he’s taken his punishment."

    Totally wrong - he hasn't 'held his hands up', there's been no apology and no acceptance of wrongdoing whatsoever.

    Pundits need to get their facts straight before sounding off in support of people. If he had apologised i and others in the Leeds family might consider he deserves a second chance, perhaps, although the comments were disgraceful and significant.

    He hasn't, so as such he should not play for our club. What message does it send out about us as a club and a city around the world?

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    WHY has he not apologised?

    My guess is that he still feels he has said nothing that amounts to been racist plus the fact he was charged on the fact he probably said it rather than 100% proof that he actually said it.

    Current climate means he will be forever tarnished and it would be best for all concerned that he found another club abroad as his presence at our club means there is always going to be a black cloud hanging around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev72 View Post
    WHY has he not apologised?

    My guess is that he still feels he has said nothing that amounts to been racist plus the fact he was charged on the fact he probably said it rather than 100% proof that he actually said it.

    Current climate means he will be forever tarnished and it would be best for all concerned that he found another club abroad as his presence at our club means there is always going to be a black cloud hanging around.
    Totally agree Rev, everyone jumping on the racist card, it was never proven that he actually said anything, does this type of accusation/judgement apply outside of a football pitch.

    Its not his fault the wages...And I know he can be a bit of a prat in goal with the odd mistake in him, that never stopped me liking Gary Sprake.

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    Rev said black cloud..... RACIST!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsutdman View Post
    Rev said black cloud..... RACIST!
    As per the last conversation we all had about this, from the submitted documentation - the evidence was overwhelming and damning.

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    If only he was a good keeper, it would help it to go away, but.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsutdman View Post
    Rev said black cloud..... RACIST!
    Yeah but somebody else typed it......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezleeds View Post
    As per the last conversation we all had about this, from the submitted documentation - the evidence was overwhelming and damning.
    Have you read the documents... nothing was actually proven, just based on probability and weighted against him because he didn't apologise..
    I thought it was innocent until proven guilty.

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    The FA have their own court of law as well.

    Wendies player (fanniehairy or whatever his name is) actually took the racist claim to court and won..only to find the FA found him guilty!

    Funny that int it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezleeds View Post
    As per the last conversation we all had about this, from the submitted documentation - the evidence was overwhelming and damning.
    Read the judgement a while back now sure would say it was overwhelming and decision only on the balance of probabilities.

    The stuff around what was or wasn’t said was not easy to decide but the defence run by Casilla and Leeds was bonkers which undermined his credibility in terms of who to believe on the actual words used. The official from Leeds seemed to be equally culpable.

    Casilla has no previous and had lots of character witnesses. It is definitely not great to have such a stain on your reputation but the decision needs to be read in the context it was given.

    Him being not up to it is a completely different issue.

    On the captaincy it was said to be the decision of the dressing room which rings true as that was how Cooper got it.

    To now brand him as an outright racist is a tad harsh as opposed to he probably got something badly wrong in one game but not clearly - probably.

    I would prefer he is sold more because we need someone better and he is an expensive drain on the wage bill.

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