Covid - reality - the lies.

[Norder]

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Your naivety, or simply ignorance of the facts, for someone involved in politics is astonishing 59.

c'mon Sinkov....you know 59's happy under the whip.

[oldcolner]

Aren’t lockdowns and mask wearing how China and Asia got rid of the virus Sinkov
They just do it better than us.
Never let the facts get in the way Of your theories.

[oldcolner]

Your naivety, or simply ignorance of the facts, for someone involved in politics is astonishing 59. This is the definition of the deaths being officially counted as Covid deaths,

"Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test."

No mention of what's on the death certificate, nothing to do with what a person actually died from, you die within 28 days of testing positive for Covid, and you're a Covid death statistic. Simple, neat little trick isn't it 59, it's fooled a lot of people besides you.

Death statistics come from death certificate entries. Since Shipman there are different sections main cause and contributing factors, so heart attack deaths could see an entry for Covid in the latter and would count. Of course a number of deaths from Covid could occur after months in ITU or In folk who never had a test so wouldn’t count by that definition. I believe a Covid entry in the main cause would not be ignored if they hadn’t had a test. The impact of the new definition is actually reducing death numbers.

under the old PHE system, 2,086 Covid deaths were reported in England in July by date of death, with the 28 days cut off this number is 574 – nearly a quarter of what was previously reported.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public...-data-revised/

Don’t let the facts get in the way of your theories.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

My GP asked me to provide a blood test in April following the assumption in January that I had contacted the virus in Germany. I have never had a follow-up or result.

The Child Bride claims if I have a heart attack and die within the next few months, the test results will be regurgitated to prove I died from COVID.

A neighbour who works at Royal Bolton suggests the wrong cause of death is deliberately inserted into the cause of death on a person's Death Certificate. There is no watchdog or review currently in place to suggest otherwise either.

We are being played like fiddles and the backlash is coming, silly restrictions placed around Christmas will be the catalyst of that I am certain.

[sinkov]

Aren’t lockdowns and mask wearing how China and Asia got rid of the virus Sinkov
They just do it better than us.
Never let the facts get in the way Of your theories.

It might have escaped your notice OC, but we got rid of the virus in this country also, from almost 1000 a day dying in early April, down to single figures in July, and all without a mask in sight. I assume you live in this country so I thought you would have noticed this, perhaps the BBC 'forgot' to tell us.

[oldcolner]

My GP asked me to provide a blood test in April following the assumption in January that I had contacted the virus in Germany. I have never had a follow-up or result.

The Child Bride claims if I have a heart attack and die within the next few months, the test results will be regurgitated to prove I died from COVID.

A neighbour who works at Royal Bolton suggests the wrong cause of death is deliberately inserted into the cause of death on a person's Death Certificate. There is no watchdog or review currently in place to suggest otherwise either.

We are being played like fiddles and the backlash is coming, silly restrictions placed around Christmas will be the catalyst of that I am certain.

I suppose anything goes in Bolton.
Very serious allegations, report it to the police with evidence.

As you are over 28 days and never got a result your child bride can be reassured the real cause will be entered.

“There is no watchdog or review currently in place to suggest otherwise either. “
There is in Scotland - It’s called the Death Certification review service and is free.
England were supposed to be developing one but wanted to charge £70 to every death certificate.

[oldcolner]

Sinkov

China got rid


We didn’t

[Norder]

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Of course a number of deaths from Covid could occur after months in ITU or In folk who never had a test so wouldn’t count by that definition.

oh...but it does count Colner.




https://assets.publishing.service.go...h-covid-19.pdf

old age - existing illnesses...but had a slight cough, so cause of death ?

[oldcolner]

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oh...but it does count Colner.

old age - existing illnesses...but had a slight cough, so cause of death ?

Yes of course they would count as those were the symptoms they died of, but not going back to February as they would have before the change in definition.
The new way of counting has reduced stated deaths to one quarter of what they were, you and BT with his conspiracy theories seem to think the opposite and they are overstated now.
That’s totally wrong. If they wanted big numbers to frighten you and empower them why allow PHE to do the opposite???

[Norder]

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Yes of course they would count as those were the symptoms they died of....

so Colner - you say (post 43) deaths without testing "wouldn't count" - then when I pointed out the contrary , that iindeed they did count, being that guidance during the Emergency period...advised cause of death to be defined as C'vid, even without test - or any verification - You then reversed your position (post 49) saying that a cold like symptom "would count" as proper diagnosis for cause of death......nullifying all other health problems, why ?....because of an uncertain sniffle. Do you see how shabby your argument, but worse...it concluded in agreement with a now established abberation.