Biden or Trump

[The Bedlington Terrier]

It is more than regretful Balan, it is shameful.

[sinkov]

Just going back to Arafat days Balan, how many times have they managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. You can lead a horse to water..........

[Balanbam00]

Not sure what your actual question is but .......almost every day they shelled villages and Kibbutzim in the Jordan Valley, from 1964 to 1967?

As you know but lets recap:
The PLO is an organisation founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians. By early 1970, at least seven Palestinian guerrilla organisations were active in Jordan, one of the most important being the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) led by George Habash.
The PLO (Fatah ) carried out its first armed operation in Israel in December 1964.

At that time there were no Jewish settlements in the West Bank, but what are they all saying (including the E U )....''that settlements are an obstruction to peace.''

''The European Union on Monday reiterated its stance that Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory are illegal under international law.''
''The UK’s position on settlements is clear. They are illegal under international law, present an obstacle to peace, and threaten the physical viability of a two-state solution.

The so-called “State of Palestine” fails the customary test of statehood under international law.
In order for the ICC to acknowledge the so-called “State of Palestine,” it must recognise Hamas - a designated terrorist organisation – as its government.
Isn’t this a betrayal of basic principles of the rule of law?

Resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly are 'recommendatory' in nature. They do not carry the weight of law and are not dispositive of fact with regard to purported Palestinian claims. Is there an institutional bias against Israel?

Britain was pleasing the Arabs again!!
1949
Jordan conquers and annexes the West bank-ethnically cleansing its Jews
Britain responds by declaring the West bank is part of Jordan
1967
Israel recaptures the west bank and allows Jews to return
Britain responds by declaring the West Bank is Palestine !!

[Balanbam00]

When the question of Israel’s occupation of the disputed territories is debated, its defenders blithely toss out the argument that this contention is supported by international law. Some facts that absolutely disprove the occupation allegation.

1 Israel’s founding was based on the British Mandate, which designated a Jewish state from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River (including the biblical Jewish homelands of Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem).

2 Although in 1947 the U.N. recommended a partition plan—which would have allocated some of this territory to the Arabs—that recommendation was rejected by the Arabs and neither accepted nor enforced by the Mandate.

3 Israel’s War of Independence in 1948 was an attempt to assert its sovereignty under the Mandate, but Jordan and Egypt illegally conquered territories (Judea-Samaria [including eastern Jerusalem] and Gaza respectively) for which they had no prior claim to sovereignty.

4 After being attacked by five Arab armies in 1967, Israel defeated them, liberated those illegally occupied territories and renewed its sovereignty over those lands granted it under the British Mandate.

5 Jordan’s control over Judea-Samaria was accepted only by Pakistan—far from international approval of its sovereignty—but in any case, Israel entered into a peace treaty with Jordan in 1994, in which Jordan relinquished control of these territories.

6 Any reference to “international law” in this case would have to refer to the Geneva Conventions, which simply do not apply in the presence of a peace treaty between the warring nations.

7 Thus in 1967 Israel conquered land it was entitled to under the British Mandate, which was never contravened by any international body, and this land is not subject to any international legal authority. The notion of “occupied territory” under the Geneva Conventions does not in any way apply.

We must push back against the Big Lie people tell about Israel
One of the most brazen aspects of Israel’s demonetisation is the perversion of international law as a weapon.

Not surprisingly, this failure to engage has led many perfectly decent people in Britain and elsewhere to believe the Big Lie that Israel is the principal rogue state in the region, if not the world.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I'm sick of the lot of them going round in circles Balan.

Anyone with a realistic head on knows Israel is not going to go away (nor should it), but for the love of God let's sort out the Palestinian Arabs and give them something they can hold onto.

There must be a triangle of land big enough to give them autonomous control of Gaza and land heading down towards Egypt and Jordan.

A two-state solution can be the only way to sort out this mess ~ surely? A concession of decent compensation for the dispossessed Arabs would help too.

[Balanbam00]

A two-state solution can be the only way to sort out this mess ~ surely?

Whilst Iran is in control of Hamas,and Fatah ( PLO ) is in control of Judah and Shomron ( the West Bank to you!)

When the Hamas leadership is crying ''death to Israel'',and Abbas is paying his people to kill Jews. (Mahmoud Abbas may not be able to stop the knife attacks. But he shouldn't pay the killers' families! To even think of some Palestinian state etc, is crazy.

''The origins of these payments goes back a long way. Before the Palestinian Authority was established in the 1990s through the Oslo peace process, the Palestine Liberation Organisation paid the families of "martyrs" and prisoners detained by Israel. That practice became standardised during the Second Intifada of 2000 to 2005. The Israelis even found documents in the late Yasser Arafat's compound that showed payments to families of suicide bombers.''

The area of the West Bank,comes some 9 miles from the coast,(the Mediterranean Sea) , a combined Arab force could push through this narrow part and cut off Israel, North from the South. The Palestinians do not think about any borders ,instead they think about destroying Israel. There would be no problem of Iran supplying the Palestinians with rockets,even coming through Jordan. Iran has supplied Hezbullah with about 150 k rockets. So then to supply these Palestinians also?? The world may think of a two state solution ,but we don't!!!

''decent compensation?''
It is estimated that more than 6 million Palestinians live in a global diaspora.The Jews in Israel are about 6-7 million. If the Palestinians have large families ? What would happen in say 20-30 years? With democracy ,''one man one vote!'' There would not be a majority of Jews and it would soon be a Palestinian state. What does the Palestinian leadership say ? Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas

''Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine.
Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain in a future Palestinian state.
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,”

[Balanbam00]

........''but for the love of God let's sort out the Palestinian Arabs and give them something they can hold onto.''

You know a new generation of Arabs are starting to realise what is happening. This is the young Arabs everywhere. The Middle East is changing. But when Hamas hold's power? Nothing will happen to the Palestinians in Gaza ,and in the West Bank under President Mahmoud Abbas. So it's a question of removing Hamas.

[Balanbam00]

Both Israel and Saudi Arabia are preparing for a Biden White House. If Jerusalem is worried, Riyadh is scared to death.
Israel does not understand how hostile the U.S. Congress is to Saudi policies in general and the crown prince in particular.

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is certain that the Democrats are going to give him hell over the kingdom's human rights abuses, civilian deaths in Yemen, the assassination of Saudi dissident and journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the continued feud with Qatar and many other issues.

The crown prince is convinced the CIA has him in its sights and is ready to put him down, at least politically, and pave the way for the return of their favourite Saudi prince Muhammad bin Nayef, whom he stripped of his titles and placed under house arrest for alleged treason in June 2017.

During his campaign, U.S. President-elect Joe Biden talked of a "renewed assessment" when it comes to American-Saudi relations, hinting that his administration would settle scores with Riyadh over its conduct in the past four years during the presidency of Donald Trump.

Cooperation between Jerusalem and Riyadh on Iran - a common foe - should be taken very seriously by Biden.

But with all due respect to the Iranian threat and normalisation prospects, it is doubtful the meeting would have taken place if the Saudis did not need an ally against what it perceives will be a hostile White House.

[sinkov]

What's the view in Israel on Erdogan and Turkey Balan, they're no friends of Israel and the old Ottoman Empire seems to be extending it's influence and reach again. With Biden in the White House, Erdogan keen on to push his luck, and the Mad Mullahs off the leash in Tehran, there may be trouble ahead, methinks,

[Balanbam00]

Yes, we have our eyes on Erdogan and Turkey.but also the Saudis have their eyes on him also of him also!!

Turkey drills in troubled waters
The deployment of the Yavuz in a section of the Mediterranean claimed by Cyprus pushes the region closer to open conflict
The Yavuz, operated by state-owned Turkish Petroleum (TPAO), is stationed in an area already claimed by the Cypriot government. At stake are massive gas deposits discovered by Egypt, Cyprus and Israel, with Turkey insisting it has a right to share in the region’s hydrocarbons boom.
Turkish vice president Fuat Oktay said the ship’s deployment was a declaration of intent. “We are tearing up maps in the eastern Mediterranean that were drawn up to imprison us on the mainland.”
Turkey’s new sea claims have drawn the ire of Greece, which some month's ago staged elaborate naval exercises in the Mediterranean. “We are prepared for any scenarios. Among them is military intervention,” says Greek defence minister Nikos Panagiotopoulos. Meanwhile, the EU has announced all three Turkish claims are incompatible with the Law of the Sea.
https://www.petroleum-economist.com/...roubled-waters

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Syria’s foreign minister accused Turkey on Saturday of being “one of the main sponsors of terror” in his country and the region, and said it is guilty of “a war crime and a crime against humanity” for cutting water to more than a dozen towns that resisted Turkish occupation.
Al-Moallem also accused Turkey of moving “terrorists and mercenaries — referred to by some as `moderate opposition’ -- from Syria to Libya,” violating Iraq’s sovereignty, using refugees “as bargaining chips against Europe” and laying claim “by force to energy resources in the Mediterranean.”

Hamas said to be secretly operating cyber, counterintelligence HQ in Turkey.

In August, the British daily The Telegraph reported that Turkey was granting citizenship to a dozen high-ranking Hamas members involved in coordinating terror attacks, which was later confirmed by the chargé d’affaires at Israel’s embassy in Ankara.

Erdogan likens Israeli ‘brutality’ in Gaza to Nazi murder of Jews.

In retaliation, Israel gives support to the alliance of states that oppose Turkey’s moves in the Eastern Mediterranean, especially Greece and Cyprus, over the maritime delimitation issues and drilling activities in the region.

Turkey has sidelined the Palestinian Authority, the legitimate government of the Palestinians, in its attempt to give Hamas legitimacy. This is inevitably heading in the wrong direction in Israel-Turkey ties and Ankara’s push to have influence in the West Bank, Jerusalem and throughout Gaza is part of the overall goal by Ankara to have leverage over Israel and create the kind of crisis it has stoked in the Mediterranean, Libya, Iraq and Syria and the Gulf.

Jerusalem is our city,’ Turkey’s Erdogan declares, '' Jerusalem belongs to Turkey, referring to the Ottoman Empire’s control over the city for much of the modern era.''“In this city that we had to leave in tears during the First World War, it is still possible to come across traces of the Ottoman resistance. So Jerusalem is our city, a city from us,” he told Turkish lawmakers during a major policy speech in Ankara. “Our first qibla [direction of prayer in Islam] al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem are the symbolic mosques of our faith. In addition, this city is home to the holy places of Christianity and Judaism.”
The Ottoman Empire ruled over Jerusalem from 1516 to 1917.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusa...ogan-declares/