This is what happens when restrictions are lifted covid19

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Huge sympathies from me too BB. The world is just crap at the moment.

[asturianblanco]

its a clusterf*ck thats for sure, thanks for the support guys, i fear the worst for the world now with the Democrats winning. We live in an age run by Media, huge multinationals and the "rights" of minorities. All common sense has gone out of the window. I´d love to see how this period will be viewed by history in 1000 years time.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

For those back in lock down try to keep chins and spirits up - its crap but if you feel down just phone loved ones or mates - a lot of people may be feeling the same.

BB I think the one good thing that may come
out of this is a growing consciousness that Western politicians and media don’t have the answer and may be a big part of the problem.

The is the first step but god knows what happens then. It was interesting to see a lot of back bench Tory MPs asking the right questions and openly slating their own party.

Johnson seriously should look himself in the mirror when he got up and walked out when Theresa May stood up to speak.

With all the money that has been wasted you would have thought that the government would fund the money to pay money for university fees for students during this time given they are so badly affected by the long term consequences but not badly affected by the disease itself.

Whether you like him or not Trump has changed US politics and I think his influence will be around for a while yet. It looks like Biden will struggle if elected as the Supreme Court, HOR and Senate look to now be under Republican control.

[asturianblanco]

Forgot to mention that one, on top of everything else, got to pay my daughters Uni fees, which are exactly the same as last year, despite only receiving a few online classes. Teachers being paid to sit home doing f"ck all....

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Looks like semi good news in UK numbers look under more control - for most of the country the R number seems to be around 1 and infections and deaths decreasing. Given we are now in lockdown but only for a day it can’t be down to that which maybe shows the craziness of England’s further month of misery.

[WTF11]

Looks like semi good news in UK numbers look under more control - for most of the country the R number seems to be around 1 and infections and deaths decreasing. Given we are now in lockdown but only for a day it can’t be down to that which maybe shows the craziness of England’s further month of misery.

For all it got a kicking by the media, the tiered system was working, Liverpool was reporting reductions in infection spread at the end of last week! We are in lockdown directly as a result of inept analysis of out-of-date data (the guy responsible for originating that data has confirmed this), and "rabbit-in-the-headlight" politicians running scared of the media.

And you think the great and the good will suffer like the "ordinary people" will? Answers on a postcard!

[CalverleyBoy]

For all it got a kicking by the media, the tiered system was working, Liverpool was reporting reductions in infection spread at the end of last week! We are in lockdown directly as a result of inept analysis of out-of-date data (the guy responsible for originating that data has confirmed this), and "rabbit-in-the-headlight" politicians running scared of the media.

And you think the great and the good will suffer like the "ordinary people" will? Answers on a postcard!

I think figures in places like Liverpool went down as the students went home for half term - check out figures for Galgate and Dolphinholme, two small villages on the outskirts of Lancaster, numbers there were amongst the highest in the country as it includes the Uni campus, they have dropped off dramatically recently as the youngsters went home.

[WTF11]

I think figures in places like Liverpool went down as the students went home for half term - check out figures for Galgate and Dolphinholme, two small villages on the outskirts of Lancaster, numbers there were amongst the highest in the country as it includes the Uni campus, they have dropped off dramatically recently as the youngsters went home.

At the risk of starting an argument, Universities dont have half term (in fact "freshers" week for new students was in September), and even during the breaks at Christams and even more so at Easter, students dont go home (particularly the huge number of foreign students). Even with students cooped up in halls of residence, the spike that happened when the new academic year started has levelled off (across all universities).

[asturianblanco]

the furlough system in the UK has been extended till March, do you really think the new lockdown will last a couple of days? think again, the Communist politburo here in Spain has already told us that they want to keep restrictions in place until May next year, and i think thats with or without Covid, which seems to be largely irrelevant to these measures.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

At the risk of starting an argument, Universities dont have half term (in fact "freshers" week for new students was in September), and even during the breaks at Christams and even more so at Easter, students dont go home (particularly the huge number of foreign students). Even with students cooped up in halls of residence, the spike that happened when the new academic year started has levelled off (across all universities).

They have a reading week but those in T2 or T3 could not have left anyway. I suspect the reduction in numbers in students is lots have now had it and thus have a degree of immunity and there are less to pass it on and fewer who can get it.

The key thing is that whilst there will always be very tragic and sad cases where people get ill or worse for that age demographic and some that are older bit not elderly this is not a fatal disease. As such, maybe the strategy needs to allow for some people to have a carry the virus and work out how to protect the vulnerable in a more sophisticated way - who knows.

It looks like some vaccines may be used in December which if true should be good too.

Keep chins and spirits up if you can.