Today's lies from Sturgeon

[shaded]

Surprised by your pessimism. Any specific reasons?

the voting alongside the tories for more austerity says it all
i tried calling/emailing Scottish labour to ask why and also ask their view on the amount of gp surgery closures (my own dr shut at the time) multiple times and never even got the courtesy of a reply

they are finished up here and that also means that Labour can't gain power down south without a strangle hold in Scotland so imo they are goosed

when we get another indy ref then il vote to leave (thats an opposite vote from me from the last vote) on 1 condition and that is the SNP would say prior to an election that if independence was gained then they would hold the fort for a year then abolish the party once elections for a new govt were finalised.
That imo would be an indy winner

[Returnofrros]

the voting alongside the tories for more austerity says it all
i tried calling/emailing Scottish labour to ask why and also ask their view on the amount of gp surgery closures (my own dr shut at the time) multiple times and never even got the courtesy of a reply

they are finished up here and that also means that Labour can't gain power down south without a strangle hold in Scotland so imo they are goosed

when we get another indy ref then il vote to leave (thats an opposite vote from me from the last vote) on 1 condition and that is the SNP would say prior to an election that if independence was gained then they would hold the fort for a year then abolish the party once elections for a new govt were finalised.
That imo would be an indy winner

They won't do that.

They are authotarian socialists.....they will never give up power.

They believe they are the Scottish elite and they have this country and in particular those who work for the state in the grip of fear.

There is only one view tolerated, left wing nationalism, anti family pro state.

[BCram]

Why would people vote Labour who don't have a socialist bone in their body?

And to suggest that Labour are the only alternative smacks of not having previously learned from past mistakes.

I'd suggest the conservatives who arnt really conservative are far more of a threat to the SNP than Labour.

I'd struggle to name a high profile Scottish Labour MSP apart from Leonard, I cud probably rattle aff a dozen SNP and half a dozen Tories and a couple of greens and lib dems.

A labour candidate who supports the Union might be a better bet than a Conservative candidate to defeat the SNP? I really do not think an independent Scotland is a good idea at the moment so slowing down the march towards independence seems sensible.

Agree not many labour names are well known, perhaps if they let their delegated members for education, finance etc take a higher profile. Jackie Baillie is doing a good job in keeping the Salmond enquiry on point.

[islaydarkblue]

Dianne ****ing Abbott, cud you imagine it.

Jeremy Corbyn’s former girlfriend.

[Returnofrros]

A labour candidate who supports the Union might be a better bet than a Conservative candidate to defeat the SNP? I really do not think an independent Scotland is a good idea at the moment so slowing down the march towards independence seems sensible.

Agree not many labour names are well known, perhaps if they let their delegated members for education, finance etc take a higher profile. Jackie Baillie is doing a good job in keeping the Salmond enquiry on point.

Bomb Leonard, beg Gordon Brown to enter Scottish politics.....game changer overnight.

[islaydarkblue]

They won't do that.

They are authotarian socialists.....they will never give up power.

They believe they are the Scottish elite and they have this country and in particular those who work for the state in the grip of fear.

There is only one view tolerated, left wing nationalism, anti family pro state.

If became an independent country there would be no SNP as all their voters would revert to voting for their former political parties which means that we would be stuck with Labour running the country for evermore.
A lot of SNP supporters on Islay are reasonably well off but they do not have the sense to realise that they would be taxed to the hilt in an independent Scotland.

[BCram]

the voting alongside the tories for more austerity says it all
i tried calling/emailing Scottish labour to ask why and also ask their view on the amount of gp surgery closures (my own dr shut at the time) multiple times and never even got the courtesy of a reply

they are finished up here and that also means that Labour can't gain power down south without a strangle hold in Scotland so imo they are goosed

when we get another indy ref then il vote to leave (thats an opposite vote from me from the last vote) on 1 condition and that is the SNP would say prior to an election that if independence was gained then they would hold the fort for a year then abolish the party once elections for a new govt were finalised.
That imo would be an indy winner

I thought that the austerity position was the right way to go. I didn't realise until now that it was so disheartening for loyal Labour voters. I suppose that disillusionment is what brought in the Marxists.

I agree with Rross that the SNP have a complete belief in their own ability. They confuse their electoral superiority and their ability to make a good job of running our country. Education under Swinney has been a disaster, capital projects for hospitals, ferries and BiFab have been horror shows. I don't think they have a clue how to operate in an inclusive way. I can't see them splitting into Tartan Tories and some type of democratic socialists.

[BCram]

Bomb Leonard, beg Gordon Brown to enter Scottish politics.....game changer overnight.

100% this.

[islaydarkblue]

Bomb Leonard, beg Gordon Brown to enter Scottish politics.....game changer overnight.

The Labour members in Scotland only have themselves to blame voting in favour of a ‘white settler’ as the leader of the Scottish Labour Party.
I have seen the problems that the ‘white settlers’ cause on Islay as they like to take over, some of whom are ‘pushy and prominent’ SNP supporters. They will learn the hard way.

[islaydarkblue]

the voting alongside the tories for more austerity says it all
i tried calling/emailing Scottish labour to ask why and also ask their view on the amount of gp surgery closures (my own dr shut at the time) multiple times and never even got the courtesy of a reply

they are finished up here and that also means that Labour can't gain power down south without a strangle hold in Scotland so imo they are goosed

when we get another indy ref then il vote to leave (thats an opposite vote from me from the last vote) on 1 condition and that is the SNP would say prior to an election that if independence was gained then they would hold the fort for a year then abolish the party once elections for a new govt were finalised.
That imo would be an indy winner

Hi Shaded,
How would you have dealt with the massive deficit which Gordon Brown’s Labour Government left at the 2010 General Election.