Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
It’s fun that you’re trying to definitively win a debate (how do you ‘win’ a debate, have we got judges ?) about whether someone comfortably won an election or not. You might as well come on here and say the best colour is blue because you say so, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. There’s plenty of evidence to say the Dems are in a good place and it’s the Republicans who should be looking at their performance. 6 popular vote defeats in the last 7 elections?
Comfortable was your word, I said the election was disappointing from a Dem point of view, and you contested that.

To ascertain whether an election was disappointing or not for a political party is not actually difficult as you're trying to make it seem. Personally I'd suggest a good way of doing it is by comparing their publicly stated hopes and expectations with what actually happened.

I pointed out they didn't win the Senate as they hoped to do, and I've given figures to show how close they were to losing the states they won (the four closest states were all decided by a margin of a fraction of a percentage point).

I've provided details of seats the Democrats were targeting that they didn't win (aka disappointments), seats they thought were safe they ended up losing (also disappointing), and quotes from actual Democrats talking about how disappointed they were.

If you have plenty of evidence to the contrary then please write it down here, instead of going off on tangents about relativism. If either of us is invoking relativism is actually you, by denying that an election which is widely considered to have been disappointing for the Democrats actually wasn't.


Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
On the broader conversation, I think It speaks to your wider mindset that the you’ve concluded that both the BLM campaign is conclusively a bad thing and that wokeness must be the reason that liberals aren’t doing well in elections (aren’t they? ) no nuance, no shades of grey. All of the progress that we agreed has happened in the last 30-40 years has been resisted by exactly the type of person who has never stopped moaning about political correctness and now wokeness, from gay marriage to racial discrimination legislation. I’m really surprised that a critically minded person like you has found themselves on that side of the discussion to be honest.
I think it speaks to the lack of substance in your argument that I (naively) replied to your questions point by point and I get this nothing-burger in return.

As far as I can see, you (and posters who hold similar views to you) have got two strategies when discussing this kind of thing. One is to make unfounded disparaging generalisations about people who disagree with you, the other is to mount a weak and unsustainable defence of the pseudo-scientific nonsense which is now considered mainstream wisdom in certain parts of the left.

I've noticed that what pretty much always happens is you start with the first one, progress to the second one, then when that gets difficult you revert back to the first one. All while claiming moral and intellectual superiority.

Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
Update ; Just tweeted from the GOP official account;

We will not be intimidated...We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it. And we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom."—Sidney Powell

Holy sh!t.
Trump is a loon and the Republican party turns into a more grotesque freak show with every passing day. That is not what we are talking about though, is it?

If you want to talk about that, start a thread about that and I'll weigh in on your side of the argument.