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Thread: National League still to decide on 2020-21 season vote

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    National League still to decide on 2020-21 season vote

    National League chiefs are due to speak with clubs this week on a vote that could scrap the rest of this season.

    It is the most pressing and serious issue facing the league which one well-placed source admits is "in a mess".

    Officials and clubs have tried to exert pressure on the government, which has told the league that the £11m funding to cover expenses from January to March is in the form of loans not grants.

    An overwhelming majority of the 66 clubs say they will not accept loans.

    The Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) has already said claims that it has gone back on grant funding promises are "untrue" and there is no indication their stance is going to change.

    Unless it does, it seems there is little option other than to terminate the three leagues - the National League, National League North and National League South.

    Even the clubs willing to continue despite receiving virtually no income may be so small in number continuing a league programme is unviable.

    National League North and South are both currently paused for a fortnight, while the National League is continuing for the moment.

    At the centre of the issue is the discrepancy between the National League and DCMS versions of a key meeting around the whole funding issue.

    When they agreed to start the season in October, National League clubs thought a promise of funding, which started with £10m from the National Lottery for the period to the end of December, was to cover the entire season, not just the first third of it.

    However, after speaking to numerous sources about the key conversations that did take place between government officials and representatives from the National League and Football Association, BBC Sport understands that neither the words grants or loans were used - and that differing interpretations have been put on the phrase 'future funding'.

    The National League believed that would be a continuation of the National Lottery agreement, with clubs acting as a promotional vehicle, or a central grant.

    It says clubs would not have even started the league had they known it would involve loans.

    DCMS reject that view and feel the £11m on offer is upholding their funding pledge.

    It is understood National League board members and FA officials were aware of the impending problem in early December, before the third and final payment of the £10m to clubs, the format of which has itself been the subject of major controversy and an independent review by former FA chairman David Bernstein.

    Some of the findings of the review have been described as "unworkable" by more than one National League official. But Bernstein was furious when the recommendations - specifically around the allocation of money - were ignored and called the review pointless.

    It had been anticipated funding would be allocated according to average crowd size. But the National League board decided to change this at a late stage, reducing the anticipated amount received by some clubs by thousands of pounds.

    The government reacted with disappointment to this, although as Camelot, the National Lottery organisers, are not a public company, they opted not to step in.

    A number of clubs who lost out significantly have threatened legal action against the National League, which, it is understood, was preparing to amend the payment allocation in January, having decided not to do so in December on legal advice because Bernstein's review was released so close to the next payment date.

    Helen Grant MP referred to the situation in a statement to MPs on Tuesday afternoon, saying the National League's distribution model was "flawed", adding "the botch has left many National League clubs in dire financial circumstances".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55818377

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    National League chiefs are due to speak with clubs this week on a vote that could scrap the rest of this season.

    It is the most pressing and serious issue facing the league which one well-placed source admits is "in a mess".

    Officials and clubs have tried to exert pressure on the government, which has told the league that the £11m funding to cover expenses from January to March is in the form of loans not grants.

    An overwhelming majority of the 66 clubs say they will not accept loans.

    The Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) has already said claims that it has gone back on grant funding promises are "untrue" and there is no indication their stance is going to change.

    Unless it does, it seems there is little option other than to terminate the three leagues - the National League, National League North and National League South.

    Even the clubs willing to continue despite receiving virtually no income may be so small in number continuing a league programme is unviable.

    National League North and South are both currently paused for a fortnight, while the National League is continuing for the moment.

    At the centre of the issue is the discrepancy between the National League and DCMS versions of a key meeting around the whole funding issue.

    When they agreed to start the season in October, National League clubs thought a promise of funding, which started with £10m from the National Lottery for the period to the end of December, was to cover the entire season, not just the first third of it.

    However, after speaking to numerous sources about the key conversations that did take place between government officials and representatives from the National League and Football Association, BBC Sport understands that neither the words grants or loans were used - and that differing interpretations have been put on the phrase 'future funding'.

    The National League believed that would be a continuation of the National Lottery agreement, with clubs acting as a promotional vehicle, or a central grant.

    It says clubs would not have even started the league had they known it would involve loans.

    DCMS reject that view and feel the £11m on offer is upholding their funding pledge.

    It is understood National League board members and FA officials were aware of the impending problem in early December, before the third and final payment of the £10m to clubs, the format of which has itself been the subject of major controversy and an independent review by former FA chairman David Bernstein.

    Some of the findings of the review have been described as "unworkable" by more than one National League official. But Bernstein was furious when the recommendations - specifically around the allocation of money - were ignored and called the review pointless.

    It had been anticipated funding would be allocated according to average crowd size. But the National League board decided to change this at a late stage, reducing the anticipated amount received by some clubs by thousands of pounds.

    The government reacted with disappointment to this, although as Camelot, the National Lottery organisers, are not a public company, they opted not to step in.

    A number of clubs who lost out significantly have threatened legal action against the National League, which, it is understood, was preparing to amend the payment allocation in January, having decided not to do so in December on legal advice because Bernstein's review was released so close to the next payment date.

    Helen Grant MP referred to the situation in a statement to MPs on Tuesday afternoon, saying the National League's distribution model was "flawed", adding "the botch has left many National League clubs in dire financial circumstances".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55818377
    Well with a good amount of games on tonight and last Saturday you do wonder if there's hope we can get this season done despite of Covid. It would be a travesty if its the National leagues fault it doesn't finish because of their total incompetence. Someone has to be accountable if they have had 10 million quid given for a competition that's null and voided based on financial reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    National League chiefs are due to speak with clubs this week on a vote that could scrap the rest of this season.

    It is the most pressing and serious issue facing the league which one well-placed source admits is "in a mess".

    Officials and clubs have tried to exert pressure on the government, which has told the league that the £11m funding to cover expenses from January to March is in the form of loans not grants.

    An overwhelming majority of the 66 clubs say they will not accept loans.

    The Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) has already said claims that it has gone back on grant funding promises are "untrue" and there is no indication their stance is going to change.

    Unless it does, it seems there is little option other than to terminate the three leagues - the National League, National League North and National League South.

    Even the clubs willing to continue despite receiving virtually no income may be so small in number continuing a league programme is unviable.

    National League North and South are both currently paused for a fortnight, while the National League is continuing for the moment.

    At the centre of the issue is the discrepancy between the National League and DCMS versions of a key meeting around the whole funding issue.

    When they agreed to start the season in October, National League clubs thought a promise of funding, which started with £10m from the National Lottery for the period to the end of December, was to cover the entire season, not just the first third of it.

    However, after speaking to numerous sources about the key conversations that did take place between government officials and representatives from the National League and Football Association, BBC Sport understands that neither the words grants or loans were used - and that differing interpretations have been put on the phrase 'future funding'.

    The National League believed that would be a continuation of the National Lottery agreement, with clubs acting as a promotional vehicle, or a central grant.

    It says clubs would not have even started the league had they known it would involve loans.

    DCMS reject that view and feel the £11m on offer is upholding their funding pledge.

    It is understood National League board members and FA officials were aware of the impending problem in early December, before the third and final payment of the £10m to clubs, the format of which has itself been the subject of major controversy and an independent review by former FA chairman David Bernstein.

    Some of the findings of the review have been described as "unworkable" by more than one National League official. But Bernstein was furious when the recommendations - specifically around the allocation of money - were ignored and called the review pointless.

    It had been anticipated funding would be allocated according to average crowd size. But the National League board decided to change this at a late stage, reducing the anticipated amount received by some clubs by thousands of pounds.

    The government reacted with disappointment to this, although as Camelot, the National Lottery organisers, are not a public company, they opted not to step in.

    A number of clubs who lost out significantly have threatened legal action against the National League, which, it is understood, was preparing to amend the payment allocation in January, having decided not to do so in December on legal advice because Bernstein's review was released so close to the next payment date.

    Helen Grant MP referred to the situation in a statement to MPs on Tuesday afternoon, saying the National League's distribution model was "flawed", adding "the botch has left many National League clubs in dire financial circumstances".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55818377
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    National League chiefs are due to speak with clubs this week on a vote that could scrap the rest of this season.

    It is the most pressing and serious issue facing the league which one well-placed source admits is "in a mess".

    Officials and clubs have tried to exert pressure on the government, which has told the league that the £11m funding to cover expenses from January to March is in the form of loans not grants.

    An overwhelming majority of the 66 clubs say they will not accept loans.

    The Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) has already said claims that it has gone back on grant funding promises are "untrue" and there is no indication their stance is going to change.

    Unless it does, it seems there is little option other than to terminate the three leagues - the National League, National League North and National League South.

    Even the clubs willing to continue despite receiving virtually no income may be so small in number continuing a league programme is unviable.

    National League North and South are both currently paused for a fortnight, while the National League is continuing for the moment.

    At the centre of the issue is the discrepancy between the National League and DCMS versions of a key meeting around the whole funding issue.

    When they agreed to start the season in October, National League clubs thought a promise of funding, which started with £10m from the National Lottery for the period to the end of December, was to cover the entire season, not just the first third of it.

    However, after speaking to numerous sources about the key conversations that did take place between government officials and representatives from the National League and Football Association, BBC Sport understands that neither the words grants or loans were used - and that differing interpretations have been put on the phrase 'future funding'.

    The National League believed that would be a continuation of the National Lottery agreement, with clubs acting as a promotional vehicle, or a central grant.

    It says clubs would not have even started the league had they known it would involve loans.

    DCMS reject that view and feel the £11m on offer is upholding their funding pledge.

    It is understood National League board members and FA officials were aware of the impending problem in early December, before the third and final payment of the £10m to clubs, the format of which has itself been the subject of major controversy and an independent review by former FA chairman David Bernstein.

    Some of the findings of the review have been described as "unworkable" by more than one National League official. But Bernstein was furious when the recommendations - specifically around the allocation of money - were ignored and called the review pointless.

    It had been anticipated funding would be allocated according to average crowd size. But the National League board decided to change this at a late stage, reducing the anticipated amount received by some clubs by thousands of pounds.

    The government reacted with disappointment to this, although as Camelot, the National Lottery organisers, are not a public company, they opted not to step in.

    A number of clubs who lost out significantly have threatened legal action against the National League, which, it is understood, was preparing to amend the payment allocation in January, having decided not to do so in December on legal advice because Bernstein's review was released so close to the next payment date.

    Helen Grant MP referred to the situation in a statement to MPs on Tuesday afternoon, saying the National League's distribution model was "flawed", adding "the botch has left many National League clubs in dire financial circumstances".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55818377
    What do others think ?

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    Heaven forbid that the National League management is finally forced to make a decision.

    Have we heard what the majority view is in the National League? I’d be surprised if it isn’t to play on. The money already handed out to the smaller clubs like Boreham Wood is probably enough to get them through the season anyway.

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