Finding jack

[gaz1959]

What a great TV prog.

I feel so lucky to have been a Leeds and Swindon fan in the 70's

Swindon had their best team and Leeds Utd had a fantastic team that I love dearly

[WTF11]

Watched it, laughed and cried, Pat saying she "always wanted to be a lady", when of course that's exactly who and what she is, Jack at the end of the programme quoted on the memories when returning to Dublin and "they (the memories) will always be there" only they won't and weren't by the time he passed.

Gent, honourable man, direct to a fault, honest without, would that football was populated by more of the same today.

Don't mean to be flippant, but can you see shades of Jack in our current coach (and why in the name of all that is holy was he never Leeds manager?)?

[CalverleyBoy]

Very sad in parts to see how illness had left him, but a fine tribute to a great player and manager

[whitestomper45]

Still to come tonight MOTD interview with big Jack.

[WTF11]

And if you have it, Leeds v Liverpool 2000, on Sky Sports PL now

[gaz1959]

Tear jerking indeed. But the most poignant quote from Big Jack for me is when he said he " wasn't a good footballer but was good at preventing other good footballers playing football" I may and surely have not quoted 100% accurate but the essence for me is that Big Jack was a GREAT footballer in a GREAT team that a lot could learn from today. There are players from that era that were truly remarkable in many ways and to name one or two would be an injustice to the others. But I can't stop myself from mentioning Micky Jones a fekin hero end off of but the whole team from Revie down were and are second to none end off of. **** Clough (loved him outside of Leeds tho)

[WTF11]

Tear jerking indeed. But the most poignant quote from Big Jack for me is when he said he " wasn't a good footballer but was good at preventing other good footballers playing football" I may and surely have not quoted 100% accurate but the essence for me is that Big Jack was a GREAT footballer in a GREAT team that a lot could learn from today. There are players from that era that were truly remarkable in many ways and to name one or two would be an injustice to the others. But I can't stop myself from mentioning Micky Jones a fekin hero end off of but the whole team from Revie down were and are second to none end off of. **** Clough (loved him outside of Leeds tho)

I liked the note "Leeds United player, licensed to kill", and the clip of him taking out Osgood.

Don't want to go back to all the violence, but the namby pamby prima Donna's we have now, who fall to the floor like they have had their faces caved in when it was their foot that got trodden on, they could learn a thing or two about strength of character, loyalty, grit and determination from the likes of Charlton senior.

[gaz1959]

I liked the note "Leeds United player, licensed to kill", and the clip of him taking out Osgood.

Don't want to go back to all the violence, but the namby pamby prima Donna's we have now, who fall to the floor like they have had their faces caved in when it was their foot that got trodden on, they could learn a thing or two about strength of character, loyalty, grit and determination from the likes of Charlton senior.

I loved Osgood too but I see your point 100%
While watching England v Albania I said they (England) looked like they had all just come from Harrow or Eton.
It is true and it is a sad state of afairs that has destroyed english footie
Buns in **** can do one imo

[Monaco_Totty]

Have not seen this programme yet but I've read lots about Jack Charlton as the player,manager and the man.Also have read many stories about him from former players which offer opinions across the board.

One player Charlton got the best out of was Irishman Paul McGrath who reached unimaginable lows in his life.I read a lot of books and McGrath recalled that at his worst in his autobiography (Back from the Brink) as being when so desperate for a drink he decided to drink Domestos before slashing his wrists when at Villa in the 1990s.

Harrowing stuff - but a world that unless you have experienced you can't and have no right to understand.Despite drink issues revolving from a shocking childhood,racism and depression from a young age McGrath for 90 minutes on a football pitch playing for Big Jack was utterly sublime but off it was sadly a tortured soul.

Charlton appeared to have a tremendous endearing warmth which often illness cannot take away no matter how brutal and likewise the shy McGrath with his private mental health demons.Both characters which lessons can be taken from in moving forward through ones life - for me anyway.

Look forward to seeing the telly documentary on Jack.

[WTF11]

Have not seen this programme yet but I've read lots about Jack Charlton as the player,manager and the man.Also have read many stories about him from former players which offer opinions across the board.

One player Charlton got the best out of was Irishman Paul McGrath who reached unimaginable lows in his life.I read a lot of books and McGrath recalled that at his worst in his autobiography (Back from the Brink) as being when so desperate for a drink he decided to drink Domestos before slashing his wrists when at Villa in the 1990s.

Harrowing stuff - but a world that unless you have experienced you can't and have no right to understand.Despite drink issues revolving from a shocking childhood,racism and depression from a young age McGrath for 90 minutes on a football pitch playing for Big Jack was utterly sublime but off it was sadly a tortured soul.

Charlton appeared to have a tremendous endearing warmth which often illness cannot take away no matter how brutal and likewise the shy McGrath with his private mental health demons.Both characters which lessons can be taken from in moving forward through ones life - for me anyway.

Look forward to seeing the telly documentary on Jack.

Jack was something that you don't get much of in today's game, at the levels he worked at anyway, honest. "Played it with a straight bat" to use a cricketing analogy. Met a few Yorkshiremen with a similar approach, son to one such, world is a poorer place for the lack of same.

Agreed on the work Jack did with McGrath, but that was what he did and what he was, and illustrated by another of the notes "Support your own". To do that, you need to be able to know who they are, a rare skill.