Over in Belfast at the mo

[islaydarkblue]

Need to rely on politicians telling the truth and acting in the best interests of the country. If SNP want to win a democratic vote for independence they need to answer currency and border questions IMO at the very least.
In my opinion if they could solve these issues it would give some credibility to their case and instead of name calling all who oppose their ideas, they might actually get somewhere.
I think Sturgeon knows that there is not a majority in Scotland who want independence. I am hoping that independence will become a vote losing strategy, as happened in Quebec and Scotland focuses on One Nation Conservatism or Democratic Socialism along the Scandinavian lines. Culturally different not politically different?

You have hit the nail on the head. Politicians never tell us the truth as the word ‘truth’ is not part of their vocabulary.
Information has to be dragged out of them using the Freedom of Information Act.

[Deeranged]

You have hit the nail on the head. Politicians never tell us the truth as the word ‘truth’ is not part of their vocabulary.
Information has to be dragged out of them using the Freedom of Information Act.

But they wouldn't actually need to use the word truth to tell us the truth therefore the idea that the word truth is missing from their vocabulary should not impinge on their ability to tell the truth.

And that's the truth.

[thegen65]

You have hit the nail on the head. Politicians never tell us the truth as the word ‘truth’ is not part of their vocabulary.
Information has to be dragged out of them using the Freedom of Information Act.

And that Islay is not true. Huge assumption you are making there with that quote.

Again you call out politicians saying they never tell us the truth. No truth at all in your statement.

Or do you know for a fact every politician lies and of course you would have the evidence to prove it?

[islaydarkblue]

And that Islay is not true. Huge assumption you are making there with that quote.

Again you call out politicians saying they never tell us the truth. No truth at all in your statement.

Or do you know for a fact every politician lies and of course you would have the evidence to prove it?

Perhaps I was being a bit strong stating that all politicians never tell us the truth.
They are experts at withholding information which has to be dragged out of them using the Freedom of Information Act or searching through the internet.

[parcbara]

Perhaps I was being a bit strong stating that all politicians never tell us the truth.
They are experts at withholding information which has to be dragged out of them using the Freedom of Information Act or searching through the internet.

I would say that all politicians of any flavour avoid bad news. The person that I see as being the most disingenuous is that Andrew Wilson.

[islaydarkblue]

I would say that all politicians of any flavour avoid bad news. The person that I see as being the most disingenuous is that Andrew Wilson.

I assume you mean the former SNP MSP Andrew Wilson who is a member and Chairman of the Sustainable Growth Commission set up by Nicola Sturgeon in September 2016. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sust...wth_Commission

[parcbara]

I assume you mean the former SNP MSP Andrew Wilson who is a member and Chairman of the Sustainable Growth Commission set up by Nicola Sturgeon in September 2016. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sust...wth_Commission

That's the one. I read an article attributed to him recently about Scotland costs versus income after leaving the UK, which to say the very least, was devious. It omitted numerous items which, whilst potentially true, would result in masses of job losses and inevitably much higher taxes. It is a concern that the likes of him refuse to be open about the financial implications of separation. This coming from someone who recognises that all politicians are bandits. Including both Johnson and Sturgeon.

[islaydarkblue]

That's the one. I read an article attributed to him recently about Scotland costs versus income after leaving the UK, which to say the very least, was devious. It omitted numerous items which, whilst potentially true, would result in masses of job losses and inevitably much higher taxes. It is a concern that the likes of him refuse to be open about the financial implications of separation. This coming from someone who recognises that all politicians are bandits. Including both Johnson and Sturgeon.

A former SNP MSP who is given a cushy job by their leader Nicola to twist things to make her dream of Scotland becoming an independent country a reality.
Yesterday it was reported that when the SNP controlled Scottish Government take over the running of Scotrail they plan to spend £1 Billion running the Scottish rail network. Abelio who have run Scotrail for the past 7 years never made a profit in any of these years. I fail to see how a Scottish Government owned company like Calmac will be able to run the Scottish rail network as Calmac are hopeless at running the current Calmac network.
The Calmac management are hopeless at calculating how long ferries will be in dry dock for their annual overhaul during the winter timetable period with their ferries continually coming back late into service. It is a shambles which has been happening for several years but the Calmac management never learn by their mistakes!

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A former SNP MSP who is given a cushy job by their leader Nicola to twist things to make her dream of Scotland becoming an independent country a reality.
Yesterday it was reported that when the SNP controlled Scottish Government take over the running of Scotrail they plan to spend £1 Billion running the Scottish rail network. Abelio who have run Scotrail for the past 7 years never made a profit in any of these years. I fail to see how a Scottish Government owned company like Calmac will be able to run the Scottish rail network as Calmac are hopeless at running the current Calmac network.
The Calmac management are hopeless at calculating how long ferries will be in dry dock for their annual overhaul during the winter timetable period with their ferries continually coming back late into service. It is a shambles which has been happening for several years but the Calmac management never learn by their mistakes!

Calmac sub contract the maintenance of their ships to ship yards. The ship yards make promises of dates for release to service which Calmac have no choice but to take at face value and to plan around. I've yet to see a job come out of a ship yard, or any fabrication yard for that matter, on time and on budget - the problem there isn't Calmac's it's the ship yard's.

But you crack on finding any tiny little crumb of a contrived fact with which to beat Calmac, you're doing a grand job there.

[BCram]

Calmac sub contract the maintenance of their ships to ship yards. The ship yards make promises of dates for release to service which Calmac have no choice but to take at face value and to plan around. I've yet to see a job come out of a ship yard, or any fabrication yard for that matter, on time and on budget - the problem there isn't Calmac's it's the ship yard's.

But you crack on finding any tiny little crumb of a contrived fact with which to beat Calmac, you're doing a grand job there.

I think the problem is a lack of detail in the setting of the contract terms. Not sure how routine repairs are so difficult to diagnose and commercial terms can't be set and complied with. Have a pal who used to manage tanker refits and repairs. Timing was the essence of the contract as well as the standard of the work. Needless to say most of work was not carried out in UK because of the lack of competent yards in the UK.