At the end of the season

[soulman101]

Will we going up in 2nd place or via the playoffs or champions ?

[Leicesterbaggie]

We certainly won't go up as champions. Possibly in second place but if we do go up, it will likely be through the play-offs.

[boingy]

Will be amazed if we go up now.

[kettering_baggie]

I also think that if we go up it will be via the play-offs but actually, I don’t think that we will go up. If we do get into the play-offs, I do not expect us to win it. Is that pessimism or realism?

Realism, definitely!

FOL

[baggieal]

Will be amazed if we go up now.

But do you honestly think we would have gone up under Val? Do you think there would have been any supporters left? Do you think after jeering Val and ripping out seats the ones who pay the money at matches would have started blowing kisses to Val instead?

[boingy]

But do you honestly think we would have gone up under Val? Do you think there would have been any supporters left? Do you think after jeering Val and ripping out seats the ones who pay the money at matches would have started blowing kisses to Val instead?

Interesting questions. Here's the problem. I don't see why we have to go up this season when fans I talk to would like to see us build first. Ripping out seats is as much a supporter problem as it is a managers. "If we don't get what we want we are going to deface and destroy public property". (Not what I would call a normal response to disappointment). Val was supposed to be a fresh considered alternative to previous discontent. The boards lack of ambition means we have to build slowly because if we do get promoted it will only be for one season. We know this. Its how it works here.

[WBA1955]

Although I don't condone it the scenes at Millwall were probably decisive in the boards decision to get rid of Val.
Anymore crowd trouble would have seen the club fined or even docked points.
Only Bobby Gould created those kind of scenes previously.

[baggiematt]

Interesting questions. Here's the problem. I don't see why we have to go up this season when fans I talk to would like to see us build first. Ripping out seats is as much a supporter problem as it is a managers. "If we don't get what we want we are going to deface and destroy public property". (Not what I would call a normal response to disappointment). Val was supposed to be a fresh considered alternative to previous discontent. The boards lack of ambition means we have to build slowly because if we do get promoted it will only be for one season. We know this. Its how it works here.

I do agree that we need a blueprint and a long-term project to stick to. I thought Val was going to be.a class appointment as he could bring that. But it became more and more evident that he wasn't right for us. To not score in so many games was appalling and the players just looked demoralised.

Bruce won't bring a project, but equally we can't just jump into a new project mid-season. I think this is why Bruce is a good short-term appointment. He'll stabilise us and leave us in a better position for the next manager...who will likely fail and then we turn to the next old English manager who plays sh*te football.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I do agree that we need a blueprint and a long-term project to stick to. I thought Val was going to be.a class appointment as he could bring that. But it became more and more evident that he wasn't right for us. To not score in so many games was appalling and the players just looked demoralised.

Bruce won't bring a project, but equally we can't just jump into a new project mid-season. I think this is why Bruce is a good short-term appointment. He'll stabilise us and leave us in a better position for the next manager...who will likely fail and then we turn to the next old English manager who plays sh*te football.

Totally agree. Just hope your final comment is incorrect.

[BaggieSingh]

I for one would love a day out at Wembley again only problem is I’ve never seen us score a goal there with 2 1-0 losses

Missed Port Vale as I had an exam next day