The NHS and how you see it...

[The Bedlington Terrier]

For me, it's an out of control behemoth that is not providing value for money.

I've actually given up on our GP and have decided to play golf everyday and quaff as much of Scotland's finest until my liver packs up.

At least it will be an honourable death. Seppuku by Glenmorangie.

[army88]

For me, it's an out of control behemoth that is not providing value for money.

I've actually given up on our GP and have decided to play golf everyday and quaff as much of Scotland's finest until my liver packs up.

At least it will be an honourable death. Seppuku by Glenmorangie.

Tbh BT it’s been a haemorrhaging money for many years , my father worked there and he said when he was leaving there were more managers than nurses so who knows.

Before all this Covid started we got private health and going forwards I think ( like America ) everyone will need it ,

Still think NHS is brilliant tbh , though it’s being tested this last two years.

[outwoodclaret]

For me, it's an out of control behemoth that is not providing value for money.

I've actually given up on our GP and have decided to play golf everyday and quaff as much of Scotland's finest until my liver packs up.

At least it will be an honourable death. Seppuku by Glenmorangie.

Are you playing golf BT or gone fishing?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Are you playing golf BT or gone fishing?

Definitely gone back to playing golf again outwood.

I'm totally disenchanted with the NHS, we have Goebbels reincarnated on our GP's reception telephone line, I have countless neighbours and friends who are waiting for hospital operations or treatment and meanwhile other than the A & E departments, the hospitals are closed for business because of Covid.

Sinkov and lusty were discussing the NHS on a different thread so I thought I would "go fishing" to see what others think on a separate, NHS dedicated thread.

[alfinyalcabo]

The NHS at ground level is fantastic, the workers,nurses,specialists and docs are fantastic ,where its let down is by the management and staff who are running it like Fred Carno's Circus.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The NHS at ground level is fantastic, the workers,nurses,specialists and docs are fantastic ,where its let down is by the management and staff who are running it like Fred Carno's Circus.

I remember an advert appearing in the Lancashire Evening Telegraph about 12 years ago Alf for the position of Chief Executive to the Blackburn Hospital Trust.

The salary was about five times that of the Prime Minister of the time.

Sinkov is 100% right, the loonies have taken over the asylum.

My niece qualified as an Operating Theatre Sister in 2008 and was later seconded to Durham where she was working ridiculous hours on what was a very poor remuneration package IMHO.

After she had been there for about six months, the equivalent to the Australian NHS launched a recruitment drive for nurses in the North East.

Long story short, she has been living in Sydney now for about the last eleven years, owns her own home, married an Irish lad, they are now both naturalised Aussies with two Australian born kids.

She is now something like Chief of Surgery Admin for three hospitals, teaches student nurses and earns more money per calendar year than I can dream of.

Our nurses got 3% in the first pay rise for about the last ten years.

Something stinks.

Meanwhile, the Tory cronies continue to prosper at our nurses' expense.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...reeves-3125695

[Swissclaret]

I agree with all the above. In Switzerland we have compulsory health insurance. It is not cheap but I can see my GP the same day, Consultants and specialists the same day. No waiting for operations. My wife recently went to A&E. A twenty minute wait. Expert care with always top end equipment. There are arrangements for those who have problems paying for the insurance (unlike the USA). They are in the minority so it is not a drain on resources. The NHS has brilliant nurses and doctors. It is dragged down by too many managers and that it seen as a sacred cow in Britain. It needs taking back to basics to ensure health care that is essential.

[sinkov]

Just a snapshot of the current situation.

I needed to see my GP, before Covid you could always get an appointment the following day at the latest, this time after jumping through hoops like texting them photos and waiting for a return phone call, I got the appointment, but I had to wait a week. When I finally got into the surgery my GP had me sorted fairly quickly and told me I had nothing to worry about, then he asked me about where I lived, did I like it there, do the houses sell quickly etc, then he got onto our time in France and I gave him chapter and verse on that as well, in the end I got up and said I couldn't keep him from his patients any longer and I should be going. It was me that curtailed the appointment, he seemed like he could have continued chatting all day, not a care in the world. I know they have an allocated time per patient, and he'd dealt with me quite quickly, but his lack of urgency to see the back of me seemed odd, given the reported length of waiting lists for NHS treatment and the 700% increase in the waiting time for an appointment at our health-centre. If there is a crisis, the news of it doesn't seem to have filtered down to my GP.

[wanderlust]

The NHS was doing fine until Thatcher and latterly Major tried to ease it out of the public sector and the single most damaging thing they did was the establishment of Hospital Trusts beginning in 1990.
OK the NHS needed to become more efficient but instead of reviewing business practice codes and procurement they went for slipping in layers and layers of management who ultimately did f*** all for productivity - against a background of an ageing population i.e more work, less productive staff.
Major was also responsible for introducing PFI - effectively putting the ownership, infrastructure and buildings of new hospitals into the hands of his private sector buddies.
The Tories have always wanted public healthcare to be run by the private sector but because they have never dared to do it openly, they've hacked away and generally undermined it for over 30 years - and one day their long term plan for it's demise will get enough traction with the voters to justify the final sell off to the waiting foreign health insurance conglomerates like Javid's JP Morgan.

That should help us swing a deal for as much chlorinated chicken as we can handle.

[Norder]

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The NHS and how you see it...



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