Matchday Thread: Peterborough v Derby

[swaledale]

When this discussion first arose a couple of years back I posted pages from FA coaching manuals including the keeper in formation notations. Why do you insist on sticking to your thoughts that it's only a Dutch thing?

I don't dispute that its in youth coaching manuals, Dutch or english or whatever, it is not however widely used within professional football, indeed I have yet to hear or see a manager, coach, media source or pundit use this everyday use, either in professional, semi professional or amateur adult football.

So I just wonder why you use it, other than in an attempt to appear knowledgeable and different? I mean you successfully scored a point over me by demonstrating it is used in youth coaching, fine, but your everyday use just smacks of someone trying to be clever, but appearing to be pedantic and actually being the only person I've seen using it!

[MadAmster]

If I was the cantankerous sort I might regularly go on about you're grammar when your getting it wrong but I don't. Others on here do.

I use that notation regularly at the local clubs, it's habit, just as you'res probably is. I don't demand you get your grammar right. I know what you mean. Why demand that I change something that is not wrong to suit you?

[MadAmster]

Even bigger senior moment MA - Rooney's debut was as a half time sub (an Erickson 11 man swap game) vs Australia and in effect he came on in place of Michael Owen.

His fellow strikers in that half were, wait for it:

Darius Vassell and Francis Jeffers, who scored. Two legends of the England game, worthy of mentioning in the same breath as Lineker and Owen

Did I mention debut? At the start of his career he often played up top with MO (when MO wasn't injured). Those 2 were mustard together.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Did I mention debut? At the start of his career he often played up top with MO (when MO wasn't injured). Those 2 were mustard together.

Actually you said "Starting up top, I still firmly believe that strikers hunt in pairs. Look what happened when Rooney burst into the England team at 17 and partnered Lineker up top. "

That suggests debut to me as bursting onto the scene at 17 doesnt happen too often in ones life!!

PS

"If I was the cantankerous sort I might regularly go on about you're grammar when your getting it wrong but I don't. " Like it

[MadAmster]

I don't dispute that its in youth coaching manuals, Dutch or english or whatever, it is not however widely used within professional football, indeed I have yet to hear or see a manager, coach, media source or pundit use this everyday use, either in professional, semi professional or amateur adult football.

So I just wonder why you use it, other than in an attempt to appear knowledgeable and different? I mean you successfully scored a point over me by demonstrating it is used in youth coaching, fine, but your everyday use just smacks of someone trying to be clever, but appearing to be pedantic and actually being the only person I've seen using it!

A couple of days after you posted this I was watching a Dutch late night chat show. 3 pundits were discussing the rapidly approaching new season. One of them mentioned a formation notation excluding the 1 for the keeper. He was immediately admonished by the other 2.

Yesterday, in his post match press conference, Louis van Gaal commented that it's difficult to beat such a well disciplined, massed defence the way Norway plays, gambling on a counter and, especially when you play 1-4-3-3 like we did you have to be more creative and we weren't.

Is this the start of the "new" moving in to replace tjhe "old"?