Barnsley football club

[Fileytyke]

I know I am now an old man who lives of the many memories of our great football club but I think the owners know next to nothing about English football.After all how many famous clubs and players have come out of China and the USA?
I understand what they are trying to do with bringing in a load of young players to develop into saleable assets but young players develop quicker with 2 or 3 older and more experienced players to learn from.We are crying out for experience in the team to help these good but young kids that are doing their best.I don’t think you can expect to put a bunch of kids into a Championship team and expect them to get promotion or into the play offs.OK so they did well last season but it was the style of play and extra substitutes that made the difference and it wouldn’t take any good coach to suss that system out.When you think of Darren Dyke who did very well playing and scoring for us but I don’t think he would have scored many goals with the style of play this season.OK he did very well with Barnsley and the papers were raving about him but he is back where he started and his club have had no offers for him.Even when top strikers are being transfered for over 100 million his club has failed to get the 17 million they want for him.Don’t get me wrong I would have him back in a flash because he is better than the strikers we already have and hope we can get him on loan again this season.
The thing that upsets me most is the owners and Billy Bean is treating our club like a computer video game our young players and some are very good are not pictures in a video game,they are young men who are doing their best for the club but lacking the help of some experienced and older players to play along side them.
The above are the thoughts of an old man who has loved Barnsley Football Club for over 70 years and yes I was the under 18s youth team manager in the 1970s and worked with Bob Earnshaw and Jeff Lees with the juniors in the old Intermediate League.I have very fond memories of the managers which were John McSeveny,Jim Isley and our own Alan Clarke along with John Steele our old favourite Rimmo,Gordon Pallister and Charlie Williams who played in the same Doncaster team as my brother.I had to pack in after collapsing at a training night on the old Queens ground training pitch.I wish these owners would treat are old club with the dignity it deserves and not as a video game.
I am now in my 80s and still say to get rid of me they will have to shoot me and there I rest my case.

[animallittle3]

I know I am now an old man who lives of the many memories of our great football club but I think the owners know next to nothing about English football.After all how many famous clubs and players have come out of China and the USA?
I understand what they are trying to do with bringing in a load of young players to develop into saleable assets but young players develop quicker with 2 or 3 older and more experienced players to learn from.We are crying out for experience in the team to help these good but young kids that are doing their best.I don’t think you can expect to put a bunch of kids into a Championship team and expect them to get promotion or into the play offs.OK so they did well last season but it was the style of play and extra substitutes that made the difference and it wouldn’t take any good coach to suss that system out.When you think of Darren Dyke who did very well playing and scoring for us but I don’t think he would have scored many goals with the style of play this season.OK he did very well with Barnsley and the papers were raving about him but he is back where he started and his club have had no offers for him.Even when top strikers are being transfered for over 100 million his club has failed to get the 17 million they want for him.Don’t get me wrong I would have him back in a flash because he is better than the strikers we already have and hope we can get him on loan again this season.
The thing that upsets me most is the owners and Billy Bean is treating our club like a computer video game our young players and some are very good are not pictures in a video game,they are young men who are doing their best for the club but lacking the help of some experienced and older players to play along side them.
The above are the thoughts of an old man who has loved Barnsley Football Club for over 70 years and yes I was the under 18s youth team manager in the 1970s and worked with Bob Earnshaw and Jeff Lees with the juniors in the old Intermediate League.I have very fond memories of the managers which were John McSeveny,Jim Isley and our own Alan Clarke along with John Steele our old favourite Rimmo,Gordon Pallister and Charlie Williams who played in the same Doncaster team as my brother.I had to pack in after collapsing at a training night on the old Queens ground training pitch.I wish these owners would treat are old club with the dignity it deserves and not as a video game.
I am now in my 80s and still say to get rid of me they will have to shoot me and there I rest my case.

It's a business before it's anything else Filey in this day and age .

The money men have come in and they run the clubs for the most part to suit whatever agenda they have in owning a football club .

The fans have very little voice and if the truth be told are as fickle as they come and are played by these people to the max .

Man Utd fans broke in to Old Trafford last season and had their game against Liverpool called off as a protest against the owners .

They sign an ageing 36 year old ex superstar of theirs and pay him £500k a week and everything is forgotten .

Meanwhile the owners having shifted the heat of them will continue to find a way to create a European Super League that ensures they make absolute millions out of the club .

Fans are fickle , owners know how to manipulate them .

It's an unfortunate combination .

[Young_Nudger]

It's a business before it's anything else Filey in this day and age .

The money men have come in and they run the clubs for the most part to suit whatever agenda they have in owning a football club .

The fans have very little voice and if the truth be told are as fickle as they come and are played by these people to the max .

Man Utd fans broke in to Old Trafford last season and had their game against Liverpool called off as a protest against the owners .

They sign an ageing 36 year old ex superstar of theirs and pay him £500k a week and everything is forgotten .

Meanwhile the owners having shifted the heat of them will continue to find a way to create a European Super League that ensures they make absolute millions out of the club .

Fans are fickle , owners know how to manipulate them .

It's an unfortunate combination .

It’s always been a business.
It’s just that it swung one way and now it looks like it’s swinging again in the other direction.

Owners.
Many on here remember a time when for decades players had to get a second job to make ends meet.
Typical example was Warnock having a stall on Barnsley Market.
What sort of profit were the owners of Barnsley Football Club making back then ???
They definitely weren’t spending it on trying to get Barnsley out of the old 4th Division.
Barnsley for many many years were nothing more than a glorified pub team.
And the owners sat back and took the money.

Then the pendulum swung the other way and players started to want more money.
Now we find ourselves with players in the Premier on disgusting amounts of money.
Owners competing against each other to try and secure the best - and hence most expensive player to ensure success for their club.
Consequently clubs and owners have become bust.
Famous clubs with £100s of millions of debt around their necks.

Then along comes Chien Lee and a consortium that takes over unfashionable Barnsley.
We read that this consortium has a total combined wealth of about £14 BILLION.
That’s wealth much greater than all the other owners in South Yorkshire and Leeds combined.

Oh … that’s great we have owners now that can out spend most other clubs and buy better players.
But these owners are cuter than that - they arn’t going to play the same game as other owners in the football league.
They arn’t going to out compete other clubs in paying players wages.
These owners come up with a simple but brilliant blueprint of how to make a football club work so they can tap into the stupid money being thrown about by other football league clubs.
As it happens the consortium drop on a club Barnsley that for years has been failing to compete with the transfer fees and wages in football and started to think differently on how to do things.

Different way of doing things has confused many football pundits as well as supporters.
Barnsley are no longer playing by the same rules of throwing money at their club.
These pundits and supporters are thinking in an old fashioned way - an old fashioned way that if implemented would put Barnsley into a mountain of debt.
For years we have never been able to compete with clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Sheffield Wednesday or Derby.
We can now.

IMO we are fortunate to have this ownership.
We know that the club when sold will be worth more than it is now and will be free of debt.
Something solid to build from.

[Fileytyke]

It’s always been a business.
It’s just that it swung one way and now it looks like it’s swinging again in the other direction.

Owners.
Many on here remember a time when for decades players had to get a second job to make ends meet.
Typical example was Warnock having a stall on Barnsley Market.
What sort of profit were the owners of Barnsley Football Club making back then ???
They definitely weren’t spending it on trying to get Barnsley out of the old 4th Division.
Barnsley for many many years were nothing more than a glorified pub team.
And the owners sat back and took the money.

Then the pendulum swung the other way and players started to want more money.
Now we find ourselves with players in the Premier on disgusting amounts of money.
Owners competing against each other to try and secure the best - and hence most expensive player to ensure success for their club.
Consequently clubs and owners have become bust.
Famous clubs with £100s of millions of debt around their necks.

Then along comes Chien Lee and a consortium that takes over unfashionable Barnsley.
We read that this consortium has a total combined wealth of about £14 BILLION.
That’s wealth much greater than all the other owners in South Yorkshire and Leeds combined.

Oh … that’s great we have owners now that can out spend most other clubs and buy better players.
But these owners are cuter than that - they arn’t going to play the same game as other owners in the football league.
They arn’t going to out compete other clubs in paying players wages.
These owners come up with a simple but brilliant blueprint of how to make a football club work so they can tap into the stupid money being thrown about by other football league clubs.
As it happens the consortium drop on a club Barnsley that for years has been failing to compete with the transfer fees and wages in football and started to think differently on how to do things.

Different way of doing things has confused many football pundits as well as supporters.
Barnsley are no longer playing by the same rules of throwing money at their club.
These pundits and supporters are thinking in an old fashioned way - an old fashioned way that if implemented would put Barnsley into a mountain of debt.
For years we have never been able to compete with clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Sheffield Wednesday or Derby.
We can now.

IMO we are fortunate to have this ownership.
We know that the club when sold will be worth more than it is now and will be free of debt.
Something solid to build from.

Nudger,I was at the club the same time as Neil Warnock and I can tell you he was not short of a bob or two,for a start he owned two greengrocers shops in Sheffield and used to supply the players and other people in the club with fruit and veg.He was also a qualified Chiropodist I think he had a practice in Sheffield and also looked after the other players feet which I would think he was paid by the club.Also he could supply you with anything you wanted,he was the original Del Trotter and Arthur Dailey combined but a lot smarter than them.He offered me a new sheepskin coat when they were in fashion but I didn’t need one,as I said he could get you anything.But he never tried to rip anyone off and was a smashing lad.I have always admired Neil and followed his progress in the game.I think he would have made a good manager at Barnsley and made a success of the team if he had come back to us but that is my opinion.Also Nudge I never knew of any players at Barnsley having a second job.

[EastStandRed]

It’s always been a business.
It’s just that it swung one way and now it looks like it’s swinging again in the other direction.

Owners.
Many on here remember a time when for decades players had to get a second job to make ends meet.
Typical example was Warnock having a stall on Barnsley Market.
What sort of profit were the owners of Barnsley Football Club making back then ???
They definitely weren’t spending it on trying to get Barnsley out of the old 4th Division.
Barnsley for many many years were nothing more than a glorified pub team.
And the owners sat back and took the money.

Then the pendulum swung the other way and players started to want more money.
Now we find ourselves with players in the Premier on disgusting amounts of money.
Owners competing against each other to try and secure the best - and hence most expensive player to ensure success for their club.
Consequently clubs and owners have become bust.
Famous clubs with £100s of millions of debt around their necks.

Then along comes Chien Lee and a consortium that takes over unfashionable Barnsley.
We read that this consortium has a total combined wealth of about £14 BILLION.
That’s wealth much greater than all the other owners in South Yorkshire and Leeds combined.

Oh … that’s great we have owners now that can out spend most other clubs and buy better players.
But these owners are cuter than that - they arn’t going to play the same game as other owners in the football league.
They arn’t going to out compete other clubs in paying players wages.
These owners come up with a simple but brilliant blueprint of how to make a football club work so they can tap into the stupid money being thrown about by other football league clubs.
As it happens the consortium drop on a club Barnsley that for years has been failing to compete with the transfer fees and wages in football and started to think differently on how to do things.

Different way of doing things has confused many football pundits as well as supporters.
Barnsley are no longer playing by the same rules of throwing money at their club.
These pundits and supporters are thinking in an old fashioned way - an old fashioned way that if implemented would put Barnsley into a mountain of debt.
For years we have never been able to compete with clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Sheffield Wednesday or Derby.
We can now.

IMO we are fortunate to have this ownership.
We know that the club when sold will be worth more than it is now and will be free of debt.
Something solid to build from.

I reckon there was more expenses given to scouts and junior coaches back then than there is now by these tight gets

[Fileytyke]

I reckon there was more expenses given to scouts and junior coaches back then than there is now by these tight gets

Nudger,it doesn’t matter how much money the owners have they can’t go out and spend millions on players because of the Football League rules.They can’t spend more than the club brings in by gate receipts and player sales,otherwise they will end up like Derby County and Sheffield Wednesday with points deduction.So having multi-millionaire owners doesn’t mean much at all.

[Fileytyke]

Nudger,it doesn’t matter how much money the owners have they can’t go out and spend millions on players because of the Football League rules.They can’t spend more than the club brings in by gate receipts and player sales,otherwise they will end up like Derby County and Sheffield Wednesday with points deduction.So having multi-millionaire owners doesn’t mean much at all.

They maybe allowed to spend money on ground improvements but they will never spend any of their own money on Barnsley Football Club you can be sure of that.They bought the club cheap then buy promising young players cheap to sell on at a profit once developed.Once they have built the club up using their system I think you will find if their system works they will sell the club pocketing the profit and walking away from Barnsley and you will be back where you started.They will have made a lot of money without spending one penny of their own money.All you can hope for is that the team improves enough using their system and have a run in the Premier League.Even then they will only be able to spend what money they receive from gate receipts and tv money so Barnsley FC will never be able to compete with the Premier big boys because they have much bigger stadiums and can charge much more than Barnsley for admission tickets.Some London clubs already charge £100 and over for a match ticket,can you see many people in Barnsley paying £100 for a match ticket? I don’t think so.The owners only bought the club to make money without spending a penny not for the love of football or Barnsley Football Club.Once they have made their profit they will be off and you will be left with “How the hell can we get this club up and running again.

[Fileytyke]

It’s always been a business.
It’s just that it swung one way and now it looks like it’s swinging again in the other direction.

Owners.
Many on here remember a time when for decades players had to get a second job to make ends meet.
Typical example was Warnock having a stall on Barnsley Market.
What sort of profit were the owners of Barnsley Football Club making back then ???
They definitely weren’t spending it on trying to get Barnsley out of the old 4th Division.
Barnsley for many many years were nothing more than a glorified pub team.
And the owners sat back and took the money.

Then the pendulum swung the other way and players started to want more money.
Now we find ourselves with players in the Premier on disgusting amounts of money.
Owners competing against each other to try and secure the best - and hence most expensive player to ensure success for their club.
Consequently clubs and owners have become bust.
Famous clubs with £100s of millions of debt around their necks.

Then along comes Chien Lee and a consortium that takes over unfashionable Barnsley.
We read that this consortium has a total combined wealth of about £14 BILLION.
That’s wealth much greater than all the other owners in South Yorkshire and Leeds combined.

Oh … that’s great we have owners now that can out spend most other clubs and buy better players.
But these owners are cuter than that - they arn’t going to play the same game as other owners in the football league.
They arn’t going to out compete other clubs in paying players wages.
These owners come up with a simple but brilliant blueprint of how to make a football club work so they can tap into the stupid money being thrown about by other football league clubs.
As it happens the consortium drop on a club Barnsley that for years has been failing to compete with the transfer fees and wages in football and started to think differently on how to do things.

Different way of doing things has confused many football pundits as well as supporters.
Barnsley are no longer playing by the same rules of throwing money at their club.
These pundits and supporters are thinking in an old fashioned way - an old fashioned way that if implemented would put Barnsley into a mountain of debt.
For years we have never been able to compete with clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Sheffield Wednesday or Derby.
We can now.

IMO we are fortunate to have this ownership.
We know that the club when sold will be worth more than it is now and will be free of debt.
Something solid to build from.

Nudger,please read the article you wrote on 20-09-2010 indicating that the owners with a wealth of 14 billion pounds have more wealth than all the clubs in South Yorkshire AND LEEDS and can outbid most clubs.Now we will come down to reality and see how many clubs we can outbid and keep within the league rules of club income of gate receipts and transfer sales receipts.Now look at the present Championship League table,I think by staying within the league rules Barnsley will come in the bottom three with Luton and Peterborough and if Sunderland,Portsmouth and Ipswich get promoted we come even lower.Just to put you in the picture Barnsley Football Club have never been able to keep viable without the sale of players unless with luck they manage to get into the Premier League for a few seasons.Going back in time Oakwell had a capacity of just over 40,000 but very rarely managed to fill half,so we had a large stadium that cost a lot of up keep plus going back to the 1950s the clu had three men’s teams which were the 1st team,the reserves in the old Central League and the Barnsley A team that played in the old Midland League.These teams cost money to keep them going and when all seater stadiums came in the gate receipts went down.Because of the “North/South device the southern clubs are able to charge higher admission charges than clubs in the North,for example even the Manchester clubs and Liverpool can’t charge the prices that Arsenal,Spurs or Chelsea do because the Northern club’s supporters do not get the high wages and salaries than the southern “Yuppies” I have just read today that Liverpool are planning to increase capacity at Anfield to 61000 by adding another 7000 seats to try and keep up with the income of the London clubs and stay within league rules.
You know as well as I do that Barnsley because of the low wages in the area can’t charge the same prices as the other clubs in the Championship so it doesn’t matter how much money the Barnsley owners have between them will not be able to outbid many clubs and will still have to sell players to keep afloat and keep within the rules so your idea tha “We can outbid most clubs” is wrong.
Now we come to the most serious accusation you wrote about Barnsley Football Club Directors “Bleeding the club dry” This is a very serious accusation which could land you in trouble.Would you or could you name the directors who you have accused of bleeding the club dry? I started attending Oakwell over 75 years ago with my Dad and still remember how much it cost for me to get in,we always went in on the terrace entrance on Grove St.It was 6d (2.1/2p) for me and I think shilling or 9d for my Dad then it was another 3d to transfer to the wing stand.In those days there was no television and in most workers houses no electric,we had a radio that run off a very large battery called an accumulator which you had to take to the local garage to be charged up in a barrow,old Pram or a trolley because it was too heavy to carry.We lived like most workers in a two up two down house with the toilet at the bottom of the yard.The wages were low but the highlight of the week was to go to the match at Oakwell and that is why the enterance charges were low.
Now we come to the directors that you accused of bleeding the club dry.To keep the football club going local Barnsley business men were invited to join the board,these were businessmen who supported the club but they had to put so much money into the club because gate receipts were not enough.So Nudger without the directors money the club would not have survived same as the other small town clubs.
In other words the club never had any blood to bleed.During my time at Oakwell two of the directors used to attend every match the juniors played in the Northern Intermediate League including away matches,some games took us as far as Sunderland and Newcastle.I don’t suppose you will remember Gordon Pallester who played left back for Barnsley for many years after the war,he went into business I think in the soft drinks trade after his playing days and later became a director.On travelling back from these long trips Gordon would ask the bus driver to look for a chip shop,then Gordon gave me the money to get fish and chips for everyone on the bus.You can imagine the surprise on the owners face when he saw a bus full of young footballers and me ask for”Fish and chips 18 times please” The money came out of Gordon’s pocket.Although he originated in the north east he was as Barnsley as a Barnsley chop.The Barnsley directors did whatever they could to keep the club going and when they ran short they had to tell the manager to sell players although we didn’t like it at the time it was sell or the club goes under.These Barnsley directors you have accused Nudger were not millionaires but ordinary local Barnsley businessmen who tried with their money to help the club.So unless you are willing to name the directors who you accuse of bleeding the club I think you should apologise to this site and all Barnsley supporters including the relations of the directors you have accused.You have written a lot of things on this site that are untrue and if that is the way you perform I am not surprised you were banned from the other site.And before you accuse me of trying to get you banned from here I am not but you can’t carry on telling your fairy tales and making accusations against former directors it could get you in trouble.
One last thing,I am not in agreement with what the owners are doing but I do appreciate they are keeping the club and looking back over the last two years during the lockdowns I should imagine although I don’t know they will have had to put their hands in their pockets to keep the club going when there was no gate receipts and for this I thank them

[Young_Nudger]

It's a business before it's anything else Filey in this day and age .

The money men have come in and they run the clubs for the most part to suit whatever agenda they have in owning a football club .

The fans have very little voice and if the truth be told are as fickle as they come and are played by these people to the max .

Man Utd fans broke in to Old Trafford last season and had their game against Liverpool called off as a protest against the owners .

They sign an ageing 36 year old ex superstar of theirs and pay him £500k a week and everything is forgotten .

Meanwhile the owners having shifted the heat of them will continue to find a way to create a European Super League that ensures they make absolute millions out of the club .

Fans are fickle , owners know how to manipulate them .

It's an unfortunate combination .

Nudger,I was at the club the same time as Neil Warnock and I can tell you he was not short of a bob or two,for a start he owned two greengrocers shops in Sheffield and used to supply the players and other people in the club with fruit and veg.He was also a qualified Chiropodist I think he had a practice in Sheffield and also looked after the other players feet which I would think he was paid by the club.Also he could supply you with anything you wanted,he was the original Del Trotter and Arthur Dailey combined but a lot smarter than them.He offered me a new sheepskin coat when they were in fashion but I didn’t need one,as I said he could get you anything.But he never tried to rip anyone off and was a smashing lad.I have always admired Neil and followed his progress in the game.I think he would have made a good manager at Barnsley and made a success of the team if he had come back to us but that is my opinion.Also Nudge I never knew of any players at Barnsley having a second job.

Warnock did.
And I’m sure supporters from that era will remember stories of others having second jobs and gadging lifts to games.
I remember a tale of one of the players having a milk round.

Can anyone remember the first thing that happened during the Alan Clarke revolution ???
He supplied the players with soap and towels.
Before that time the players had to provide their own.
What were the owners of that time doing with the gate money !?!?!
An era when Barnsley supporters should have had a genuine gripe against the owners.

At the same time Leeds - a 2nd division club - was building to become the giant they are today.
Exodus of thousands of Barnsley people going to watch Leeds - some of their grand children are attending matches to this day - while Barnsley at the time under those owners was seen as a sad joke.

[Fileytyke]

Warnock did.
And I’m sure supporters from that era will remember stories of others having second jobs and gadging lifts to games.
I remember a tale of one of the players having a milk round.

Can anyone remember the first thing that happened during the Alan Clarke revolution ???
He supplied the players with soap and towels.
Before that time the players had to provide their own.
What were the owners of that time doing with the gate money !?!?!
An era when Barnsley supporters should have had a genuine gripe against the owners.

At the same time Leeds - a 2nd division club - was building to become the giant they are today.
Exodus of thousands of Barnsley people going to watch Leeds - some of their grand children are attending matches to this day - while Barnsley at the time under those owners was seen as a sad joke.

Nudger,I will say again Neil Warnock didn’t have any second jobs,he started his business’s so he had something after he had finished playing and did a very good job.And I don’t know where you are getting these stories about players having second jobs and having to cadge lifts to get to the ground.Even in those days the players had their own cars.I was there at the time and you were not.I myself was paid expenses to travel into the ground for training during the week and matches at weekend with the youth teams,the youth team players also received travel expenses to get to the ground so your stories are totally untrue,get your facts right before you write your stories.There was a lot of problems in the club during those times but first team players having second jobs and having to cadge lifts into the ground was not one of them.