Lies

[6EQUJ5]

There are plenty of accusations of club executives being habitual liers. This occurrs most often in the cases of John Nixon and Nigel Clibbens. But are these accusations legitimate? I think not.

JN is, quite rightly, unpopular with the overwhelming majority of supporters. They often list his legion of faults, which it is perfectly reasonable to do. Then they add on the extra fault, that he is in the habit of telling lies. He is certainly not in the habit of telling lies. In the next day or two I will show irrefutable evidence on here of JN telling a lie but this is not a habit of his.

NC does not tell lies, that is my belief. He is unpopular with a significant percentage of supporters because they believe that he does not supply enough of the very important information to supporters. He may well be justified in this because to supply this information may well have a detrimental effect on the club, were it to be known to other clubs. He may also be under orders from Holdings not to supply some information to supporters. So, he has to inhibit the supply of some information that supporters are keen to know. This makes him unpopular. No doubt supporters can also add other matters to a list of his faults, including the telling of lies. Since NC has arrived there has been a steadily increasing amount of information supplied to supporters and he does not tell lies.

Here is the point. Some folk who dislike JN and NC claim that both of them are frequent liers, so to speak. This is not the case at all. Anyone who wishes to state that either of them is a frequent lier should provide specific evidence to prove it. Hearsay is not evidence. Amongst that which may be regarded as evidence is a quote from an article on the club's website written by either of them, or an audio clip, or a piece of video. Not only do we need evidence that they have actually written or said it but also we need evidence that it is a lie.

I can provide evidence of JN telling a lie and will do so on here. But in no way do I make a claim that he is a habitual lier. A couple of folk who no longer post on here were often aghast when asked to actually provide evidence of their bizarre assertions, simply because they could not produce such evidence. Foul and abusive language ensued, which was utterly pathetic.

[cayambe]

I do not know him and I do not know if he is a liar. What concerns me is his track record as an Owner / Director of the club and that he hands over his shares sooner rather than later preferably at the price of what he paid.

[6EQUJ5]

Let's not steer this thread away from its topic. It is about the issue of supporters claiming that JN and NC are routinely liars. It is about
nothing else.

Anyone wanting to criticize any other aspect of the ownership can do so on another thread which is about such a topic.

[griff]

I’ve had occasional dealings with Nigel and he has my respect. I don’t think that he could have fully understand how his role would be used by the owners but he buckled down and does a good job. I haven’t dealt with JN at all so I cn’t comment.

[mullen103]

There are plenty of accusations of club executives being habitual liers. This occurrs most often in the cases of John Nixon and Nigel Clibbens. But are these accusations legitimate? I think not.

JN is, quite rightly, unpopular with the overwhelming majority of supporters. They often list his legion of faults, which it is perfectly reasonable to do. Then they add on the extra fault, that he is in the habit of telling lies. He is certainly not in the habit of telling lies. In the next day or two I will show irrefutable evidence on here of JN telling a lie but this is not a habit of his.

NC does not tell lies, that is my belief. He is unpopular with a significant percentage of supporters because they believe that he does not supply enough of the very important information to supporters. He may well be justified in this because to supply this information may well have a detrimental effect on the club, were it to be known to other clubs. He may also be under orders from Holdings not to supply some information to supporters. So, he has to inhibit the supply of some information that supporters are keen to know. This makes him unpopular. No doubt supporters can also add other matters to a list of his faults, including the telling of lies. Since NC has arrived there has been a steadily increasing amount of information supplied to supporters and he does not tell lies.

Here is the point. Some folk who dislike JN and NC claim that both of them are frequent liers, so to speak. This is not the case at all. Anyone who wishes to state that either of them is a frequent lier should provide specific evidence to prove it. Hearsay is not evidence. Amongst that which may be regarded as evidence is a quote from an article on the club's website written by either of them, or an audio clip, or a piece of video. Not only do we need evidence that they have actually written or said it but also we need evidence that it is a lie.

I can provide evidence of JN telling a lie and will do so on here. But in no way do I make a claim that he is a habitual lier. A couple of folk who no longer post on here were often aghast when asked to actually provide evidence of their bizarre assertions, simply because they could not produce such evidence. Foul and abusive language ensued, which was utterly pathetic.

Ok! - quick ones

On radio “there’s no one interested in the club” when Lapping was talking to them.

There’s a genuine billionaire interested

Loads more - I can dig them out if needed

[cocopops61]

Ok! - quick ones

On radio “there’s no one interested in the club” when Lapping was talking to them.

There’s a genuine billionaire interested

Loads more - I can dig them out if needed

Who is the billionaire,is it Lappy? I know that he's very well off but a billionaire?

[_Stefan_Kuntz]

Who is the billionaire,is it Lappy? I know that he's very well off but a billionaire?

Chalky, the Lapping reference was from late autumn 2014, when official talks with Andrew Lapping were about to start.

After the t­wats found a feeble excuse to terminate the talks in late spring 2015 they stated that a billionaire was interested but did not give a name. Eventually they gave the name Kirdi. A five minute search on the internet quickly proved that the Kirdi supposed credible interest was a sham, he had several pizza shops and was absolutely not credible as a prospective owner. It is clear that the b­astards were just using the Kirdi situation to make supporters forget the shameful termination of the Lapping talks. Either that or in almost 2 years they could not check out Kirdi in the manner that any child could do on the internet in 5 minutes.

[cocopops61]

Sorry I didn't realise that the information wasn't up to date,what's the chances of the current owners selling up to somebody else who could maybe take the club forward? They must know that they aren't wanted there,the trouble is back in 2009 Notts was taken over by a billionaires company Munto Finance who was fronted by a shyster called Russell King (Google him) and by the end of the season we was champions but unable to pay our milk bill,it was all a sham,we nearly finished as a club and Notts County would have just been a forgotten club so remember that all that glissens isn't gold

[griff]

The current owners selling is a problem. They are cemented into position by personal guarantees which they had to sign in case of default on a loan provided by a REAL billionaire, Philip Day, which is now about £2.37 million. They aren’t even paying off the interest so it continues to increase. Day is the man behind Edinburgh Woollen Mills and other companies. So, they can’t just walk away or sell the Club without the debt being paid off by them or someone else and they may not have that money readily available. The best guess is that they are waiting for some income from previous player sales - Dean Henderson at Man-ewe is one such, the rumour being that we have a large percentage of any sell-on fee coming which could any that debt off completely. So, they lurk.