Covid is not over

[griff]

No. The problem is called debt. The country was 1.6 trillion in debt before covid and war. Debt cant be wiped out in a second, which is why the tories blame labour, rightly so.

So where does the money come from to cushion people, all people from rising prices?

WHERE?

As for covid, innoculation was a success. Johnson was slow in understanding what was happening, and slow to act. Try understanding that.

The British have had it so good for so long they cant cope with genuine hardship, the socialists just moan and whinge, as a way of getting into power.

All is weaponised. As if Labour has any anchor in competence in anything.

Like I said, two short planks. Frank, the Tories are the party of high borrowing and rarely paying it back. National Debt has increased under the Tories:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...icit-spending/

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/02/11/t...all-the-money/

So how are you blaming Labour? Why “rightly so”?

Howoldboy - I think you’re wrong about Frank reading the Daily Mail. Don’t forget, to him anything or anyone to the left of him is Communist, so to him the Daily Mail is a socialist rag.

[Psaw]

Your fuel is hate. Why do you hate the Tories so much?, i dont get it. If we were face to face i could uncover your reasoning, as all thoughts lead to another.

I suspect its because your parents had an influence, and you read the Daily Mirror, and probably still do. Its no secret that the country votes Labour when it can afford it, and Tory when we need adults to rescue the day.

A measure of your hate is Gordon Brown. He knew the crisis was coming 18 months before it hit. He knew the Tories would get in, and spent those eigh**** months, not preparing the country for disaster, but emptying the coffers. He thought the Tories would get the blame, then get voted out. How evil is that.

There were news reports on BBC 1 of him giving money away to destitute african countries.

THAT LED TO THAT INFAMOUS NOTE.

And at this point you will deny everything. I have acknowledge that the Tories make mistakes, you have not acknowledge that Labour are anything but perfect, the good guys against the bad.

This is a measure of your disturbance.

And you will ignore any facts that dont support your nonsense.

Now as a tactical move, you will make a concession on admitting that Labour are less than perfect, it will hurt badly, but you will do it, because subconsciously you cant be seen to be nuts.

Its all entertaining though. Unlike yourselves, the vast majority of the British people dont look at it like you do, another badge of nuttiness you wont wear, but is obvious.

You people are saturated with hate. I am an anglian, southern, blue, conservative etc, thats enough.

[griff]

Get your facts straight Frank. I said in an earlier post that “ The Tories quite rightly blamed Labour for squandering resources”; I’d already conceded that Brown and his cronies had ballsed it up. No government has done a great job of running this country for decades in my view; the Tories did OK in coalition when they had to have the brakes applied by the Lib-Dems and Labour under Blair did OK until Iraq. Blair pulled socialism towards the centre and the Lib-Dems did the same with the Tories. The Uk does best with centrist policies which, from where you stand, is the far left.

Anyway, calm down Frank. I don’t hate the Tories, I simply don’t have to dislike them to clearly see the mess they’re making of managing covid deaths, the NHS and the inflation. The Treasury has recently benefitted from large windfall income too and Sunak is sitting on a war chest that he won’t spend to alleviate the needs of those who can’t afford higher fuel and food prices. No, he’s sitting on it to buy votes in the next election year:

https://www.ft.com/content/826d6b5a-...c-6beaa8091314

How callous is that?

When I was working the Immigration courts we used to use a test called ‘Wednesbury reasonableness’ which came from an earlier court judgement and was used to determine whether a decision could be considered to be reasonable or correct. Basically it came down to this. Would the very definition of a reasonable man find the decision or action to be reasonable? Apply that test to the decisions made by the Tories that affected covid deaths, inflation, the operation and funding of the NHS, the aftermath of brexit etc.and it’s quite clear that they fail on all of them. Add to that that a proportion of their MPs can't keep their hands of other folks’ wives, minors or stay off p­orn sites at work and you’re looking at a corrupt government bereft of honour or substance. But you’re a fanboy Frank, so you’ll never see it.

[_Stefan_Kuntz]

Frank, you have a very poor response to a simple collection of truths on such subjects as the numerous failings of the current government. The facts about the law breaking, corruption, negligence and the excessive 140,000 Covid deaths are stark truths for which you simply cannot produce a counter argument.

Thus you pretend to be a person of superior intellect / education, attempting to render the truth to be irrelevant. Furthermore, you attempt to state what the Labour party would do. That is bigoted speculation.

You rarely address the facts and would be a very weak witness in a Cambridge Union formal debate about the p­iss poor performance and highly competent corruption of this government. Your performance in such a debate would be curtailed by the ruling ''Answer the question, do not ramble on about what you speculate that the Labour Party would do, do not tell us how much more intelligent you are than the whole team on the other side, do not ramble on about how much better educated you are than the whole team on the other side. Your testimony will be regarded as null and void until you address the actual questions".

[griff]

In any formal Cambridge Union debate, two short planks would beat Frank hands down.

[Psaw]

On the Cambridge board i clearly stated that Johnson had to go. So that ones out the window. The Tory party are only tolerating him because of the extraordinary circumstances that we are in. When things get better hes gone, the Tories are good at exiting lame ducks.

As for the failings of individuals, are Labour MPS immune no. You just latch onto whatever to run the Tories down. All are flawed. But the composite of the rule is correct. Again Stefan the government got covid wrong, they closed the country too late. What more do you want?

Have you never made a mistake.? Do you think Johnson would have acted earlier if he had known how serious it was? Do you think he did it deliberately? Full understanding of the disease wasnt known.

If i were too list the failings of the Labour government, all websites would not be big enough. The Tories get things wrong less.

As for the NHS, the local hospitals A/ E is under serious pressure.

An NHS exec said in a paper that none of the countless extra billions that has gone in over the years has gone on front line care.

Thats what you get from state run organisations, the NHS is a disgrace.

[Psaw]

As for reasonableness, when an overarching destination is needed, like brexit, then to take into account a decision that would thwart such an action, then proper unfair decisions MUST be made.

Because the overall goal must be achieved. Johnson is about to tell the eu to go and get stuffed over NI. Its unreasonable.

To them.

Its makes perfect sense to brexiteers, like me.

[griff]

I don’t think that telling the EU to get stuffed is unfair. I voted for brexit to get our sovereignty back, and the EU are holding on to some of it. It’s therefore reasonable, despite the agreement, to change the arrangement over imports to remove the virtual border down the North Sea. A reasonable UK Citizen would come to that decision therefore it’s reasonable to do it. A reasonable Frenchman might disagree but he can get stuffed too.

Oh, and of course Frank Labour MPs aren’t immune to failings. But they’re not in Government so it’s a moot point.

[Psaw]

Blimey, voting for Brexit and publically admitting it, well done. Have you had a new DNA thing come through.? My new one says im 42% eastern europe and russia, down from 51, 23 per cent german, baltics 15 sweden and denmark3, greece an albania 3, a new one, southern italy 2, amazing when my mother comes from the far north east, spain 2, levant 1, thats palestine, iraq and israel, and the aegean islands 1 percent. Thats a new one.

Theres slovenia and croatia in there cant remember the numbers. My ancestors were having good time eh.

[griff]

My DNA keeps changing according to Ancestry. My Norwegian is down from 8% to 5% and my Scottishness up to 67% mainly thanks to my Dad who, down to his mother who remarried when he was very small, was brought up thinking he was Welsh. It’s a long story. I’m also 10% Welsh and 2% Irish. I think that my right leg could be English but I can’t be sure.