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    Yet again you offer no counter argument whatsoever. You merely post vague sarcasm. This Prime Minister and his sheep wake up each day with the primary ambition of being ever more self serving. They are the most obnoxious bunch of folk who feel an incredible sense of entitlement. They have failed to deliver the most fundamental basics of a government's obligations, which I have detailed several times whilst you have had no answer to such facts, just evasion and vague sarcasm. Again, just picking the example of Covid it is a fact that the UK is 198th in the worldwide Covid league. This is beyond shameful and this alone is reason enough for this government to be regarded as totally unfit to be in office .

    I expect that in response to this and the detailed list of the inept, corrupt and specific law breaking efforts of this government all that you will offer is a mixture of evading these issues and vague scorn. I do understand why this is your attitude. This government's overall record cannot be defended, so you have to post anything that you think may make a few people forget it. Nobody will forget it. They are all living it.

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    I must say i enjoy your rants, there is a lot of emotion behind it. The reason i will not counter argue is that whatever i say, you will not accept it.

    And a lot of what i would say would have validity to it, but you wont grant me that. It would be like two fat women in a mud pool slinging mud at each other.

    To look at it in a macro way, the ultimate decider is a general election, and before casting a vote, the electorate will decide on the above, and much more.
    So you and me expending a lot of energy arguing goes nowhere, and is a waste of time.

    The end result, in a football type of way is.........

    YOU LOSE.

    If you look at the people who represent you, its not surprising, as a lot of what you say is relevant, and correct, but is presented in an emotional, aggressive way that repels people.

    Oh, and socialists havent got a clue with money. And have a veneer of communism, a sure loser. You must present yourselves as blue with a small red tint, not maniacs from Moscow.

    Tony Blair once said that Labour are a party of protest. He is correct, thats all it is. To be more your leadership will have to grow up.

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    Frank, you characterize me listing all the numerous instances of ineptitude, corruption and other vast amounts of serious foul play as rants. Of course you wish to try to characterize the simple truth as something that is in some way fundamentally invalid but in this you fail. You are merely making a feeble excuse to avoid having to defend the indefensible.

    Furthermore the Conservative Party being bought by Putin's favourite oligarchs and then the government giving them plenty of time to get their assets sold or out of the country is another highly unethical action. Further down the Conservative hierarchy several MPs have been found guilty of s­exual offences against women and youths and another case is pending. Owen Patterson was bought by a company and so spent his time lobbying for that company. The Prime Minister attempted to change the law to save him but soon gave up, so Patterson had to go.

    The reason that you cannot sensibly address the numerous substantial negatives of the current government is that you cannot present one iota of defence. The verdict is guilty on all counts.

    For the umpt­eenth time you wish to divert the issue to Labour, which is quite extraordinarily poor. This is officially a Conservative government, though it has zero ideology. The Prime Minister and his Cabinet feel incredibly entitled and thus commit serious foul play routinely, including breaking the Ministerial Code. Until this government took office doing this was a resigning / sacking offence. As well as such matters this government has broken UK law.

    This government is now prepared to break international law. Of course I have utter contempt for the EU. But the fact is that the Prime Minister on behalf of the government took part in negotiating and he signed the resulting deal with the EU regarding Northern Ireland. Now he wants to change it and if this is not granted then the government is prepared to break the agreement, which would be a break of International Law. This would sully the UK's reputation worldwide and make it difficult to get treaties with other countries which have governments with some semblance of honour.

    I would criticize the EU all day long, that is not in play in this matter. The issue is that the government has negotiated, signed an agreement and is prepared to break it, which is monumental foul play and seriously damaging to the UK's worldwide prospects. There is an international court, the UK would be found guilty and face punishment.
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    Excellent post Stefan.

    Just like Boris Johnson, Frank has a bit of a track record of breaking agreements.

    His own reputation was left in tatters after last year's Predictocomp.

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    The country still votes Blue. If Boris Johnson promised to double benefits, then reneged on that, laughing at the camera, as he mocks, "fooled you", the country would still vote blue.

    Poor people are few and far between. Poor people arnt even poor, they just think they are.

    MORE........as per the house of commons.

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    Frank, your "na, na, na-na, na" yet again shows your complete inability to offer any defence against all the accusations of foul play, corruption, substantial UK and International Law breaking says it all. You have failed to offer any defence. All you have to offer is silly triumphalism, which is somewhat misplaced.

    At the latest electoral test the officially named Conservative Party (though it has no ideology) lost 500 local authority seats. This was from a position in which the last time these seats were fought it did badly. So, losing 500 seats from an already weak position is hardly an electoral success. It is thus easy to discern that the electorate has made up its mind all over England, Scotland and Wales. The party does not seriously try in Northern Ireland, where it gets less than 2% of the turnout in any electoral test. Given the likelihood of the UK government continuing to have problems over there the Conservatives are unlikely to improve upon this dismal electoral situation.

    For those of us who wish electoral defeat for this government the cowardice of the 358 officially Conservative MPs in refusing to send 54 Letters Of No Confidence to the Chairman of the 1922 Committee is the best possible news.

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    “I gasped at the audacity of the lie”


    From today’s Independent…..

    “ Downing Street staff who received fines for attending the same lockdown parties as Boris Johnson have reacted with fury after the prime minister escaped further sanctions on Thursday.
    There was anger inside No 10 as the Metropolitan Police concluded its Partygate investigation, leaving the prime minister with just one fixed penalty notice (FPN) compared to some junior staff who amassed as many as five – despite insider accounts that they had attended the same events.

    The full findings of Sue Gray, the senior civil servant carrying out a wider report into the scandal, are now expected as soon as next week. Police said a total of 126 fines were issued to 83 people over events spanning eight dates between May 2020 and April 2021. Mr Johnson’s wife, Carrie, also received just one penalty linked to her husband’s birthday party on 19 June 2020.

    “It’s a joke,” one No 10 source told The Independent. “He told people to ‘let their hair down’ and enjoy their drinks which they’d earned for ‘beating back the virus’.”
    They said the prime minister had participated in socialising with officials and advisers in a manner that had been regarded as an endorsement of partying after work.
    “He’s a man of little or no integrity,” they added, referring to his handling of the Partygate affair.
    A former No 10 official who worked there during the pandemic said that the moment an official line was issued denying parties, “I gasped at the audacity of the lie”.
    A spokesperson for No 10 declined to comment.

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    Griff, i have already said that Johnson has to go. There is no dispute. Leaders have to lead by example as well as intelligence. The Tory party have seen fit to keep him, for the time being. Nothing gets in the way of the Tories winning, its for all our sakes when you look at the alternative. Keeping him is ok with me, for a time.

    You cannot do what he did, and expect to carry on. Anyway, i broke covid rules, did you?

    Exactly. But he still has to go.

    As for the local elections, in normal times the opposition, whoever, usually are miles ahead, not this time, losses were marginal.

    If you extrapolate that to an election, Labour lose, badly.

    What i find annoying is that the covid and war problems are seen as the personal failures of the Tories, not for what it is, acts of god.

    And its held against them like the tories are personally responsible for those things. And its people like you two who exploit this for your own political ends, as Labour do, when the truth is that they struggle to find the right path like everyone else.

    With the cost of living crisis coming, where is the money coming from to pay for countless problems? I have already asked that question which got no reply.

    The money will come from the rich, and it may not be enough, they pay fortunes already. We are all in this together. Unlike Labour who seek to divide society at all costs. If people die from whatever, it will be seen as a Tory problem, and not as a tragedy in a world thats fcd up.

    The country is broke, whatever we borrow we must pay back. the 1.6 trillion we were in debt before covid and war is now a trifle. And the debt is due to get bigger, much bigger.

    The people you should be weeping for are those who WILL starve in africa asia etc. Afghanistan is starving now. I dont see you weeping over that. You are just worried about your own larders. As for britain, we need to suspend hostilities, children are being shelled and dying just over the channel.

    People are being blown to bits, executed for nothing. Putin is holding the world to ransom through starvation. Nuclear war may happen.

    Partygate is small fry. Cost of living is small fry. Bigger things are happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psaw View Post
    FFS we’ve covered most of this before. Go and look at some of thos links I put up

    Griff, i have already said that Johnson has to go. There is no dispute. Leaders have to lead by example as well as intelligence. The Tory party have seen fit to keep him, for the time being. Nothing gets in the way of the Tories winning, its for all our sakes when you look at the alternative. Keeping him is ok with me, for a time.
    I know. This wasn’t aimed at you it was more for the amusement of everybody

    You cannot do what he did, and expect to carry on. Anyway, i broke covid rules, did you?
    No Frank, I have a mother in a care home and I had to be careful. You should turn yourself in immediately

    Exactly. But he still has to go.
    No argument

    As for the local elections, in normal times the opposition, whoever, usually are miles ahead, not this time, losses were marginal.
    Losses were significant, though the Lib Dems did better than Labour

    If you extrapolate that to an election, Labour lose, badly.
    Probably

    What i find annoying is that the covid and war problems are seen as the personal failures of the Tories, not for what it is, acts of god.
    As i said earlier it happened on their watch so it’s their fault, just like the Tories blamed Labour for the big financial crisis because a global fiscal meltdown happened on their watch. In fact, they didn’t stop banging on about it for decades. Same argument Frank.

    And its held against them like the tories are personally responsible for those things. And its people like you two who exploit this for your own political ends, as Labour do, when the truth is that they struggle to find the right path like everyone else.
    As I said a couple of lines above, what goes around comes around. If you stick your head above the parapet it’ll het shot off. Er, who exactly is in government?

    With the cost of living crisis coming, where is the money coming from to pay for countless problems? I have already asked that question which got no reply.
    Borrowing Frank, and a windfall tax. Borrowing isn’t the end of the world Frank, it’ll always be with us, have a look at the link. And don’t forget that borrowing always rises under the Tories, it’s Labour that likes to reduce it (see links in earlier days).

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-an-explainer/


    The money will come from the rich, and it may not be enough, they pay fortunes already. We are all in this together. Unlike Labour who seek to divide society at all costs. If people die from whatever, it will be seen as a Tory problem, and not as a tragedy in a world thats fcd up.
    Inflation is at 9.1% from memory. There was a press report the other day that said that official sources had calculated that the effect was actually around 7.9% on the rich and 11% on the poor. If there’s one thing that’s certain it’s that the Tories always f­uck the poor

    The country is broke, whatever we borrow we must pay back. the 1.6 trillion we were in debt before covid and war is now a trifle. And the debt is due to get bigger, much bigger.
    See my link and comments a few lines above

    The people you should be weeping for are those who WILL starve in africa asia etc. Afghanistan is starving now. I dont see you weeping over that. You are just worried about your own larders. As for britain, we need to suspend hostilities, children are being shelled and dying just over the channel.
    Eh? Of course I’m deeply concerned that the actions of Putin risk famine in Africa and elsewhere. I’m human Frank. And I don’t see us firing shells at folk in France, your eyesight must be better than mine.

    People are being blown to bits, executed for nothing. Putin is holding the world to ransom through starvation. Nuclear war may happen.
    I know, it’s in the news.

    Partygate is small fry. Cost of living is small fry. Bigger things are happening.
    Partygate isn’t smallfry because it’s another indication of the moral vacuum the the Tory government is imposing on the UK. In a world context it’s a footnote, but I live in the UK and so do you. I can’t stop a war in Ukraine or cure coronavirus so I have more parochial matters to dwell on and form opinions based on what I see. You see things differently, but you’re wrong.

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    'As for the local elections, in normal times the opposition, whoever, usually are miles ahead, not this time, losses were marginal.

    If you extrapolate that to an election, Labour lose, badly'.

    Absolutely untrue, going from an already bad result the previous time those seats were fought to an even worse result by another 500 seats is not going to be a win by the Conservatives.

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