O/T:- Heatwave weather [Re. Climate Opinions/Handbags]

[Woodsetts_Pie]

And if you think things weren't bad enough already here's Truss' thoughts on the current problem:
Solar panels - Bad
Fracking - the process that allows the seepage of millions of tons of Methane into the atmosphere every year - Good

It's reassuring to know our next leader has some intelligence....not
God help us

[crazyfists]

And if you think things weren't bad enough already here's Truss' thoughts on the current problem:
Solar panels - Bad
Fracking - the process that allows the seepage of millions of tons of Methane into the atmosphere every year - Good

It's reassuring to know our next leader has some intelligence....not
God help us

It's becoming clear that Truss is an absolute idiot. As you say God help us when she becomes PM.

[crazyfists]

I actually can't stand Truss. For one she's a liar, I'm from Leeds and Roundhay is pretty much the nicest area here. She certainly didn't come up hard as she likes to portray. There was certainly no red wall she speaks of. She lied about regional levels of pay by saying everyone had 'misunderstood' her. She has no real understanding about the cost of living crises for lower income families (which coming from the mean streets of Roundhay is surprising........) No need for help, she's just going to stop the green energy payments (about £150 a year, thanks Liz) and cut taxes which doesn't affect alot of the people who need help whilst also not really helping those it does effect. Instead she's going to 'unleash Britain potential' **** me that's sorted then, no need to worry........

[Mark_Ross]

I actually can't stand Truss. For one she's a liar, I'm from Leeds and Roundhay is pretty much the nicest area here. She certainly didn't come up hard as she likes to portray. There was certainly no red wall she speaks of. She lied about regional levels of pay by saying everyone had 'misunderstood' her. She has no real understanding about the cost of living crises for lower income families (which coming from the mean streets of Roundhay is surprising........) No need for help, she's just going to stop the green energy payments (about £150 a year, thanks Liz) and cut taxes which doesn't affect alot of the people who need help whilst also not really helping those it does effect. Instead she's going to 'unleash Britain potential' **** me that's sorted then, no need to worry........

Ya gotta laugh. We are dealing with crises by putting lunatics in charge of asylums.

BTW: If anybody's interested in the political zeitgeist in the USA, I read a fine book recently called "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank. Be afraid, be very afraid!

[ncfcog]

Well it's 32 degrees in Beeston and my 5pm tennis match has just been cancelled. probably the sensible thing to do.

[crazyfists]

Ya gotta laugh. We are dealing with crises by putting lunatics in charge of asylums.

BTW: If anybody's interested in the political zeitgeist in the USA, I read a fine book recently called "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank. Be afraid, be very afraid!

I'll check that out mate thanks. Yeah it's not looking good, like Liz when she said she'll deal with Nicola Sturgeon by ignoring her whilst calling her an attention seeker. What leader with even half a brain would even say that. Nevermind we shall see what happens!

[Mark_Ross]

I'll check that out mate thanks. Yeah it's not looking good, like Liz when she said she'll deal with Nicola Sturgeon by ignoring her whilst calling her an attention seeker. What leader with even half a brain would even say that. Nevermind we shall see what happens!

With regards to the SNP, it seems that Truss will be another "dream come true" for their recruitment campaign.

[MarcusCole]

As others have said, if you genuinely want to know about how the Earth’s climate is being affected by human activity, you find out what a climatologist thinks. If 9 climatologists say man made climate change is real, you don’t believe the 1 who says it isn’t. Billions upon billions of pounds and dollars have been spent on convincing people that man made climate change isn’t real, hence the Google results you’re on about and some of the posts in this thread.

I swear, some people would ring the chiropodist when they needed brain surgery.

That is not how it works, in fact if we went with that there would never be any progress. When Galileo postulated the heliocentric model of the Solar system (earth goes round the sun guys) he was in the minority. If we did as you say then we would still follow that model. When the first scientists stated that man made global warming was a real thing they also were in the minority.

It is not about the number of people saying something is true that makes it true but the evidence that is provided. In both cases I have stated the evidence backed the minority view and they became the accepted viewpoint. If it was down to the majority then those religious types teaching that God made everything would still be teaching that as fact.

[Mark_Ross]

That is not how it works, in fact if we went with that there would never be any progress. When Galileo postulated the heliocentric model of the Solar system (earth goes round the sun guys) he was in the minority. If we did as you say then we would still follow that model. When the first scientists stated that man made global warming was a real thing they also were in the minority.

It is not about the number of people saying something is true that makes it true but the evidence that is provided. In both cases I have stated the evidence backed the minority view and they became the accepted viewpoint. If it was down to the majority then those religious types teaching that God made everything would still be teaching that as fact.

Uh... yes & no.

You cannot simply accept the majority opinion on anything - because the majority may yet be wrong. (The appeal to majority fallacy.) Also, you should not simply believe an opinion because the person stating it is clever/rich/powerful/etc. (Appeal to authority fallacy = it is what is being said that matters, not who is saying it.)

However, if you consider the arguments that a particular group is making, and consider these versus their vested interests, and how wide & varied the group is, and yet there is still a clear consensus among the group... then perhaps you should be favouring their opinion.

[BigFatPie]

That is not how it works, in fact if we went with that there would never be any progress. When Galileo postulated the heliocentric model of the Solar system (earth goes round the sun guys) he was in the minority. If we did as you say then we would still follow that model. When the first scientists stated that man made global warming was a real thing they also were in the minority.

It is not about the number of people saying something is true that makes it true but the evidence that is provided. In both cases I have stated the evidence backed the minority view and they became the accepted viewpoint. If it was down to the majority then those religious types teaching that God made everything would still be teaching that as fact.

That’s not how what works?

What you’ve said is true, but I’m not sure what relevance it has to the discussion. If I work in the field of climatology , or any other scientific field, it’s obviously part of my job to keep abreast of the latest evidence and revise my thoughts as appropriate.

If, as is the case for the vast majority of people, you’re not a specialist in a scientific area, then it’s a wise move when forming an opinion to seek the expertise of those that are. One poster on this thread has claimed he has done his research and come to the conclusion that CO2 doesn’t affect temperature as much as the experts claim. Is he the Galileo of our times, bravely flying in the face of established scientific fact?