OT - the current crisis

[Andy_Faber]

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

Easy tigers. As with Covid, for the most part I'd say 'listen to the scientists', but unfortunately trustworthy people are less easy to identify in the arena of climate change than Covid - on the credit side, and lets hope he lasts til at least 200, David Attenborough, on the debit side Greta Thunberg, I have yet to discuss climate change with anyone who finds her message appealling.

BUT its not, IMO, a 'cult', the warming of the planet is a fact, the linking of that to the use of fossil fuels is less certain but there is a weight of evidence.

BUT BUT, gotta say there ARE a lot of zealots around, a lot of scaremongering and a lot of fake news/correlations. Fantastic story on TV last week thatcovered all those bases, a 'popular sunday night programme' offered the destruction by fire of a combine harvester as directly climate change related. Like the 'Poles being killed by racists' bo-locks post Brexit, further digging determined that this was rubbish - the fire was caused by a fuel leak, and in any case CHs are tested to operating conditions of well over 40 degrees anyway, both of which facts the presenter/producer/programme should have and probably did know, but it didn't suit the narrative. As with other sensitive subjects discussed from time to time on this forum, the more stories like the above abound, either far fetched, patently untrue or without provenance, the more those in the middle ground will adopt AN 'anti-' approach IMO.

[ramAnag]

Well I'm glad your happy, that Granny Bloggs in her pokey flat, is safe in the knowledge that tiddles/a hot water bottle but no gas, makes her suffering all the more worth it.
Good on yer.

I’m not sure how you can conclude that that’s what I’ve said or implied. Which bit of ‘I can see a scenario where more use of fossil fuels may, very sadly, become temporarily necessary’ didn’t you read or understand?

[MadAmster]

The drive to go 100% green by folks like May listening to zealots, is half the reason folks are going to struggle to have any heat this winter.

Really? There was me thinking that it was caused by the, so loved by the Toraidh, free market system that has seen prices to the consumer rocket. The producers put energy up for grabs to the highest bidder. The bidders are the companies that supply energy to you. That astronomic wholesale price means that the price to consumers will also rocket. IMO it has nothing to to with the "green thing" and everything to do with greed from energy producers and their shareholders.

[Geoff Parkstone]

As we are anecdoting (is that a verb) on energy prices, my DD for gas and electric from EDF has just gone from 267 pcm to 432 pcm, having gone up from 225 to 267 a few months ago. They didn't bother to tell me, just did it and I spotted it on online banking.

I get that the prices will go up, but not that they don't even bother telling the customer about it.

[Andy_Faber]

As we are anecdoting (is that a verb) on energy prices, my DD for gas and electric from EDF has just gone from 267 pcm to 432 pcm, having gone up from 225 to 267 a few months ago. They didn't bother to tell me, just did it and I spotted it on online banking.

I get that the prices will go up, but not that they don't even bother telling the customer about it.

EDF propose a change but allow the customer to override. For unique reasons out proposed DD for gas went from £47 to £1, we've bumped it up to £125

[ramAnag]

As we are anecdoting (is that a verb) on energy prices, my DD for gas and electric from EDF has just gone from 267 pcm to 432 pcm, having gone up from 225 to 267 a few months ago. They didn't bother to tell me, just did it and I spotted it on online banking.

I get that the prices will go up, but not that they don't even bother telling the customer about it.

Sure they really should have told you.