Days of yesterday year

[Brin]

Doesn't it get hot in that furnace?

Not when its shut down for two week summer hols....

[John2]

Exactly so, Cam. But you have to admit (or perhaps not) that the descent into non-league or worse of some of our old adversaries has been used several times on here to suggest that TS saved us from that fate and that if we'd spent a bob or two we'd obviously have been doomed.

Did you forget that when he saved the club we'd been bankrupt twice in 2 years, lost our stadium, and started a season in the bottom division on -17 points?

Not to mention that the alternative to TS taking over was not existing at all.

Brin's original point was completely valid. Anyone with half a brain and that actually cares about the club can see we owe the man an extraordinary debt.

But maybe you have a point...
Maybe a better list would be the likes of Macclesfield, Darlington and Bury which ceased to exist.

[Lolmorgan]

I think Mark Robins should be given a bit of credit.

[avondalemiller]

.....Scarborough.......

[jocksgloves]

We've spent approximately 25% of our existence in the second tier. Not to shabby for a small club.
I'd like to add Southport to your list Remember Johnny Quinn scoring a scorcher against them C1968. I think the only teams we've not played league games against are Arsenal, Man United and Spurs, although Town or County covered these teams.

[wendun]

Did you forget that when he saved the club we'd been bankrupt twice in 2 years, lost our stadium, and started a season in the bottom division on -17 points?

Not to mention that the alternative to TS taking over was not existing at all.

John, I shall overlook the insults. I have argued at length my opposition on political and philosophical grounds to the "sugar daddy" model of club ownership. I have also laid out the economic aspects.
I find it sad that so-called socialists on here can see no alternative to being "saved" by a rich benefactor. It doesn't matter a fig to me if the owner is "good", it still means we operate at the whim of an individual and that principle is more important to me than sitting in a shiny new(ish) rented stadium. Many people - see for example John Nicholson's article in March 2022 - agree with me. In parts of Europe the English model is considered ridiculous. You can't have it both ways: if undemocratic ownership is wrong in the wider economy it's wrong in football.

[John2]

John, I shall overlook the insults. I have argued at length my opposition on political and philosophical grounds to the "sugar daddy" model of club ownership. I have also laid out the economic aspects.
I find it sad that so-called socialists on here can see no alternative to being "saved" by a rich benefactor. It doesn't matter a fig to me if the owner is "good", it still means we operate at the whim of an individual and that principle is more important to me than sitting in a shiny new(ish) rented stadium. Many people - see for example John Nicholson's article in March 2022 - agree with me. In parts of Europe the English model is considered ridiculous. You can't have it both ways: if undemocratic ownership is wrong in the wider economy it's wrong in football.

Have you heard the expression "don't hate the player, hate the game"?

TS is in no way responsible for the English model of football. It is what it is.

He has run the club about as well as he can under that model.

Football in the UK is a private, capitalist, industry.

As things stood in 2008, without TS the club would have ceased to exist.

Of course, the idealist in me can see the appeal of a community-owned football club, but it's a fantasy in the current system. Who would run it? Who would invest? How would we have built a stadium?

The closest we could have come would have been the Millers Trust taking over in 2008 as a last resort. If that happened do you think we'd be in a better position than we are now?

It's one thing to idealistically prefer a community ownership model, but you probably follow the wrong sport in the wrong country. Regardless, to take out your frustrations at the system on TS is just downright bizarre.

[Townerslovechild]

We've had 2 spells of 'fans' essentially running the club...Millers 05 and Dennis Colman anyone ?
That didn't end too well, the facts are that without Tony Stewart the football club as we know it,wouldn't exist.
However, to get to the next level takes some serious cash, or a huge amount of luck, and then some investment, will that ever happen.
I think Paul Warne made up his mind on that one.

[kempo]

I agree with John2 in that a man with half a brain could formulate an informed opinion re the value of TS to the club.
This ability to function so well is due to what’s called neuroplasticity where the remaining half can actually take over functions that would normally be carried out by the missing half.

[Lolmorgan]

We've had 2 spells of 'fans' essentially running the club...Millers 05 and Dennis Colman anyone ?
That didn't end too well, the facts are that without Tony Stewart the football club as we know it,wouldn't exist.
However, to get to the next level takes some serious cash, or a huge amount of luck, and then some investment, will that ever happen.
I think Paul Warne made up his mind on that one.

Some people on here think P/W going to take Derby up then storm the Championship all because he will get a bigger budget. Derby County are a big club the upkeep for such a big club will be 3 times the upkeep at Rotherham & I don’t think their Chairman’s 3times richer than T/S.P/W spent a lot of money on Ladapo & a full back that never got a chance so he’s going to after be very careful. Imo only.