He who has not sinned can cast the first stone

[Psaw]

Yes Sarhawi was fiddling, but you must balance that against the socialist dogs.

That socialism through Corbyn would have a terrorist as prime minister.

And Brown being blatant, that financial sabotage on a mind blowing scale is normal for labour, in every administration, indeed, its expected.

Take into account France and the EU, fiddling expenses, taxes is normal. Russia, all politicians help themselves to public money openly.

Sarhawi is Iraqi, fiddling is a cultural norm.

The truth is that Britain expecting no corruption is a uniquely british thing, and we should be righly proud. You cant throw stones, for gods sake, your red.

[griff]

Heh, great jokes Frank, great jokes.

[_Stefan_Kuntz]

Yes Sarhawi was fiddling, but you must balance that against the socialist dogs.

That socialism through Corbyn would have a terrorist as prime minister.

And Brown being blatant, that financial sabotage on a mind blowing scale is normal for labour, in every administration, indeed, its expected.

Take into account France and the EU, fiddling expenses, taxes is normal. Russia, all politicians help themselves to public money openly.

Sarhawi is Iraqi, fiddling is a cultural norm.

The truth is that Britain expecting no corruption is a uniquely british thing, and we should be righly proud. You cant throw stones, for gods sake, your red.

Frank, that is p­iss poor, your worst yet. Even Sunak has managed to suppress his obsession with Corbyn. You damn him for what he has not done, dreadful. Jeremy Corbyn has never been Prime Minister and never held any ministerial office. Thus anyone could make up any s­hite about Corbyn. Can anyone really believe that the country would have been in this feeble state if Corbyn had been Prime Minister, certainly not.

As for Labour the only sabotage it commits is upon itself.

Are we supposed to base our standards upon the massive fraud and corruption that routinely occurs in the European Union and Russia?

This Conservative government has plumbed new depths of mismanagement and corruption. Every time we think that this government has set the lowest possible standard of behaviour we then see new depths reached.

You make a blunder when you mention the past because the past provides no proof of what will happen in the future.
But if we must debate the past then there is a case of past events affecting us now and in the future. Margaret Thatcher committed treason
by allowing our fundamental utilities to become owned by the state owned companies of Spain, France and Germany. France is taking the p­iss with its state owned EDF increasing prices to its French customers by only 4% but absolutely ripping off its UK customers. EDF's UK customers are subsidising the bills of its French customers. How much do you like that, it being caused by Margaret Thatcher's treason?

Frank, wake up and smell the s­hite.

As for me I am a little to the left of absolute centre, which to you is Marxism / Communism. The incoming Labour government will be of a similar disposition, which will leave right wing Conservatives fuming with frustration because it will be a government with a political philosophy of 'fair play all round'. Under this incoming government the rich will stay rich and nobody will be prevented from becoming rich. But serious foul play will be prevented. The incoming Labour government will be in place for 5 years and will then win the subsequent General Election with a majority of sufficient size to comfortably see it through another 5 years.

[griff]

I know, and “financial sabotage on a mind blowing scale is normal for labour”. How much money did Truss blow away? £30 billion and upwards in how many days? NB Frank that’s days I’m talking about, not years. And that on top of Bobo the Clown and now Sunak, so I’m certain that Frank was cracking jokes. Well done Frank.

[Chauncey]

Liz Truss is the only prime minister not to have an episode of Dr Who aired in their tenure as leader since it began

Dr Who and politics,you can't say that I'm not trying to take an interest

[Psaw]

You may have noticed that i have rarely if ever not ackwoledged the failures of the Tory party, and because of that, will now vote reform.

At no point in our discussions has anyone on here ackowledged the fact that labour has glaring problems. And having said that now you will claim you have, you have not, even to the extreme of doing it now to prove the point.

There is the mature approach, and their is the childlike. You will defend Labour regardless which in all honesty completely invalidates everything you say because it is overtly parisan, making conversation impossible.

And to cap it all, he says the past is not an indication of the future, completely the wrong way round. Socialism is that, its not going to change.

Who would change it anyway, we all want to live in valhalla, of the red kind. Not.
Take stefans post, large parts of it are fabrications, but stefan wont see it because his filter is clogged with sh it.

Any rational conversation about labour would end in you lot voting anything but, you cant affoprd to do that.

[griff]

I’ll just say this. ALL political parties have problems but some more than others. But if Labour take up the reins of power in a couple of years time they are in the mire from day one because of the financial train crash that the Tories are causing.

[_Stefan_Kuntz]

Frank, you are already prosecuting Labour for what it will do wrong. That would make a science fiction film. It is nonsense.

[_Stefan_Kuntz]

Can anyone legitimately claim that Labour has more problems than this utterly shambolic and thoroughly corrupt Tory government? There is hardly any current Labour MP who has been even a junior minister in a Labour government, thus they have no form to be judged on. We can only assess what the Labour government's political philosophy will be. We certainly cannot predict either success or failure. Only a rampantly right wing Tory bigot will at the moment predict that a Labour government will certainly be worse for the country than the current Tory farce.

In October next year the electorate can elect a Labour government that could quite possibly fail. The alternative is to elect the vile, corrupt, inept Conservatives who have an ongoing record of failure in running the country whilst doing exceptionally well in monetising themselves through corruption. Given the choice of voting for a Labour party that might fail or a Conservative party that has already wrecked this country, the sensible choice is to vote for the possibility of failure, rather than for the certainty of continuing failure with associated routine corruption.

[Psaw]

Did you see what i did there griff? A chink of light for you, like an english winter, a rare shaft of sunlight, to then be extinguished in a second.