DSA questions/answers JN

[scottg]

Received the following from my supporters club secretary, some recent questions and answers from a recent session where the DSA Chair, Club SLO and JN met, thought it might be of interest to those not members of an affiliated supporters club.

a. JN confirmed that we will still be playing our home games at Dens Park next season and beyond. Only when the Steelwork at Dens is required at the new Stadium will we move out and groundshare. As we do not know when this will be or where we will play our home games it was suggested that at the next meeting with JN we should ask “when we do move out of Dens where does JN think we will end up”. It was agreed that this will be asked.
b. JN stated that in the future the capacity of Dens will be reduced but depending on what League we are in and who we are playing will dictate the number of spectators as areas of the ground will be opened up to accommodate larger crowds. It was confirmed that Dens has not failed its Safety Certificate.
c. JN confirmed that the problems with the pitch are weather related and DFC made the decision not to put on the undersoil heating for the Dunfermline Cup game as the cost involved would have been in excess of £15,000.00 – last year this would have cost in the region of £4,500.00. JN was of the opinion that DFC would have made a loss based on the ticket sales together with having to share the gate with Dunfermline. The Committee thought this was a reasonable decision others disagreed.
d. JB said that they pushed for a pay gate at Dens for the Dundee support in view of the problems encountered at the Ticket Office but were informed by JN that for varying reasons this will not happen. JN did however agree that DFC will have a look at the concerns raised when purchasing a ticket from the ticket office on the day of the match and it is hoped that all the supporter will have to do is ask and pay for a ticket rather than be asked what seems like numerous questions in setting up an account. JB stated that we will continue to ask for a pay gate even as a trial basis on a couple of upcoming games. There is also no movement on trying to be able to use an e-ticket system that other Football Clubs use due to Wifi problems. George McIrvine from Dee4Life confirmed that they had carried out a study on this and offered to pay for the installation of the equipment in order it would work Their offer was declined.
e. JN did confirm that some Players have had Contracts offered, no names no details, and as an overhaul of the Player Squad is likely to take place they could be taking a chance on this or it may work out to every ones satisfaction.
f. DC said that they brought up the Bring a Friend to a game scheme especially the short notice involved and JN confirmed that for next season DFC will look into this with the scheme going back to the way it was a few years back which allowed a season ticket holder to bring a friend to any game in the season. JN did however state that this could depend on the League we were in and the importance of the game.
g. DC asked if there was any way that DFC could assist the DSA obtain tickets for away games as a number of Clubs no longer allow sales at the DFC ticket office. Matter to be looked into.
h. JN confirmed that Planning permission for the new Stadium should be presented by the end of March 2023.
i. DC stated the DSA were still trying to support the involvement of Dee4Life with DFC.
j. JN advised DC and JB that his door at Gardyne is always open to the DSA.

[Returnofrros]

Received the following from my supporters club secretary, some recent questions and answers from a recent session where the DSA Chair, Club SLO and JN met, thought it might be of interest to those not members of an affiliated supporters club.

a. JN confirmed that we will still be playing our home games at Dens Park next season and beyond. Only when the Steelwork at Dens is required at the new Stadium will we move out and groundshare. As we do not know when this will be or where we will play our home games it was suggested that at the next meeting with JN we should ask “when we do move out of Dens where does JN think we will end up”. It was agreed that this will be asked.
b. JN stated that in the future the capacity of Dens will be reduced but depending on what League we are in and who we are playing will dictate the number of spectators as areas of the ground will be opened up to accommodate larger crowds. It was confirmed that Dens has not failed its Safety Certificate.
c. JN confirmed that the problems with the pitch are weather related and DFC made the decision not to put on the undersoil heating for the Dunfermline Cup game as the cost involved would have been in excess of £15,000.00 – last year this would have cost in the region of £4,500.00. JN was of the opinion that DFC would have made a loss based on the ticket sales together with having to share the gate with Dunfermline. The Committee thought this was a reasonable decision others disagreed.
d. JB said that they pushed for a pay gate at Dens for the Dundee support in view of the problems encountered at the Ticket Office but were informed by JN that for varying reasons this will not happen. JN did however agree that DFC will have a look at the concerns raised when purchasing a ticket from the ticket office on the day of the match and it is hoped that all the supporter will have to do is ask and pay for a ticket rather than be asked what seems like numerous questions in setting up an account. JB stated that we will continue to ask for a pay gate even as a trial basis on a couple of upcoming games. There is also no movement on trying to be able to use an e-ticket system that other Football Clubs use due to Wifi problems. George McIrvine from Dee4Life confirmed that they had carried out a study on this and offered to pay for the installation of the equipment in order it would work Their offer was declined.
e. JN did confirm that some Players have had Contracts offered, no names no details, and as an overhaul of the Player Squad is likely to take place they could be taking a chance on this or it may work out to every ones satisfaction.
f. DC said that they brought up the Bring a Friend to a game scheme especially the short notice involved and JN confirmed that for next season DFC will look into this with the scheme going back to the way it was a few years back which allowed a season ticket holder to bring a friend to any game in the season. JN did however state that this could depend on the League we were in and the importance of the game.
g. DC asked if there was any way that DFC could assist the DSA obtain tickets for away games as a number of Clubs no longer allow sales at the DFC ticket office. Matter to be looked into.
h. JN confirmed that Planning permission for the new Stadium should be presented by the end of March 2023.
i. DC stated the DSA were still trying to support the involvement of Dee4Life with DFC.
j. JN advised DC and JB that his door at Gardyne is always open to the DSA.

A. Can't believe he wasn't pushed on this already.

B. So does this mean closing the Derry, why why why close noisiest part of the ground.

C. problems with maintenance of pitch, grass still green, soil still brown. Are we only gonna play games we make a profit on now ?

D. It's an absolute disgrace that there's no PATG and is knocking a wee bit off the crowds.

E. Irrelevant in big scheme of things

F. Seems he's no that interested.

G. no comment on that

H. Let's see

I. No comment

J. Bull

[islaydarkblue]

Received the following from my supporters club secretary, some recent questions and answers from a recent session where the DSA Chair, Club SLO and JN met, thought it might be of interest to those not members of an affiliated supporters club.

a. JN confirmed that we will still be playing our home games at Dens Park next season and beyond. Only when the Steelwork at Dens is required at the new Stadium will we move out and groundshare. As we do not know when this will be or where we will play our home games it was suggested that at the next meeting with JN we should ask “when we do move out of Dens where does JN think we will end up”. It was agreed that this will be asked.
b. JN stated that in the future the capacity of Dens will be reduced but depending on what League we are in and who we are playing will dictate the number of spectators as areas of the ground will be opened up to accommodate larger crowds. It was confirmed that Dens has not failed its Safety Certificate.
c. JN confirmed that the problems with the pitch are weather related and DFC made the decision not to put on the undersoil heating for the Dunfermline Cup game as the cost involved would have been in excess of £15,000.00 – last year this would have cost in the region of £4,500.00. JN was of the opinion that DFC would have made a loss based on the ticket sales together with having to share the gate with Dunfermline. The Committee thought this was a reasonable decision others disagreed.
d. JB said that they pushed for a pay gate at Dens for the Dundee support in view of the problems encountered at the Ticket Office but were informed by JN that for varying reasons this will not happen. JN did however agree that DFC will have a look at the concerns raised when purchasing a ticket from the ticket office on the day of the match and it is hoped that all the supporter will have to do is ask and pay for a ticket rather than be asked what seems like numerous questions in setting up an account. JB stated that we will continue to ask for a pay gate even as a trial basis on a couple of upcoming games. There is also no movement on trying to be able to use an e-ticket system that other Football Clubs use due to Wifi problems. George McIrvine from Dee4Life confirmed that they had carried out a study on this and offered to pay for the installation of the equipment in order it would work Their offer was declined.
e. JN did confirm that some Players have had Contracts offered, no names no details, and as an overhaul of the Player Squad is likely to take place they could be taking a chance on this or it may work out to every ones satisfaction.
f. DC said that they brought up the Bring a Friend to a game scheme especially the short notice involved and JN confirmed that for next season DFC will look into this with the scheme going back to the way it was a few years back which allowed a season ticket holder to bring a friend to any game in the season. JN did however state that this could depend on the League we were in and the importance of the game.
g. DC asked if there was any way that DFC could assist the DSA obtain tickets for away games as a number of Clubs no longer allow sales at the DFC ticket office. Matter to be looked into.
h. JN confirmed that Planning permission for the new Stadium should be presented by the end of March 2023.
i. DC stated the DSA were still trying to support the involvement of Dee4Life with DFC.
j. JN advised DC and JB that his door at Gardyne is always open to the DSA.

Thank you for the information. Interestingly no one from Dee4life was invited to attend this meeting.
Item A. I am astounded that steel in the Dens Park stands namely the Bobby Cox Stand and the Bob Shankly Stand which are currently 25 years old is to be used in the construction of the new stadium at Campy Nou. It looks like skimping on the building of the new stadium from the outset.
Item D confirms to me that John Nelms is only interested in season ticket holders as he gets their money up front while he makes it as difficult as possible for non season ticket holders to attend home games at Dens Park.
It is a pity that DC and JB did not ask the obvious question to Nelms regarding PATG.
Why has there been PATG for Away supporters from several clubs at Dens Park this season but not for Dundee supporters.
George McIrvine is correct about the installation of the E ticketing scheme which was to be paid for by Dee4life but the offer was turned down by Nelms.
I can only assume that last October Nelms was planning for Dundee Football Club to leave Dens Park at the end of this season for ever.

[BCram]

Thanks scottg.

Seems to me that there are some specific answers and that is to be welcomed. I don't understand why the e ticketing can't be gifted to the club. Why would you refuse something as a gift? I'd like to see more information on this particular issue. Is there a concern that ST sales will collapse if there is a modern PATG system? It looks like the transfer window has been a surprising success and I'm hoping that the management team has strengthened our team, the first time that's happened for quite a while, IMO. ST sales will be difficult to price before the season is completed, unless we are either runaway league leaders, or disasterous failures and out of the play off places.

[Returnofrros]

Thanks scottg.

Seems to me that there are some specific answers and that is to be welcomed. I don't understand why the e ticketing can't be gifted to the club. Why would you refuse something as a gift? I'd like to see more information on this particular issue. Is there a concern that ST sales will collapse if there is a modern PATG system? It looks like the transfer window has been a surprising success and I'm hoping that the management team has strengthened our team, the first time that's happened for quite a while, IMO. ST sales will be difficult to price before the season is completed, unless we are either runaway league leaders, or disasterous failures and out of the play off places.

They will be priced for the only two alternatives already......small rise or large rise.

[Returnofrros]

Thanks scottg.

Seems to me that there are some specific answers and that is to be welcomed. I don't understand why the e ticketing can't be gifted to the club. Why would you refuse something as a gift? I'd like to see more information on this particular issue. Is there a concern that ST sales will collapse if there is a modern PATG system? It looks like the transfer window has been a surprising success and I'm hoping that the management team has strengthened our team, the first time that's happened for quite a while, IMO. ST sales will be difficult to price before the season is completed, unless we are either runaway league leaders, or disasterous failures and out of the play off places.

What em hoping for is a bit of imagination on pricing........but I've hoping for that since Linda rode into town.

[dayster]

Thank you for the information. Interestingly no one from Dee4life was invited to attend this meeting.

George McIrvine is correct about the installation of the E ticketing scheme

George attended on behalf of Dee4Life as invited by DSA

[BCram]

George attended on behalf of Dee4Life as invited by DSA

Thanks Dayster. Good to know! Keep on talking!

[dayster]

George attended on behalf of Dee4Life as invited by DSA

Just to clarify George attended the DSA meeting, not the the meeting with club & SLO. Just realised after re-reading that’s what Islay was probably referring too

[islaydarkblue]

Just to clarify George attended the DSA meeting, not the the meeting with club & SLO. Just realised after re-reading that’s what Islay was probably referring too

Exactly.
It is very disappointing that a representative from Dee4life was not invited to attend the meeting with the club, SLO and a representative from the DSA.
However this is par for the course.
At a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors in the Dens Park boardroom on Saturday 4th January 2020 John Nelms stated that Dee4life would in future be invited to attend meetings attended by the Club, Dee Promotions, Community Trust and DSA.
It never happened as it was reported in the minutes of the Dee4life board of directors meeting held on 4th February 2020 that a meeting had been held on 27th January 2020 attended by the Club, Dee Promotions, Community Trust and DSA.
Dee4life were not invited to attend this meeting despite what John Nelms had stated less than four weeks before.